Way to spoil the conversation with a false dichotomy. I'd guess that even if we accept that good servers make good tips and favor tipping and that bad servers m

Way to spoil the conversation with a false dichotomy. I'd guess that even if we accept that good servers make good tips and favor tipping and that bad servers make bad tips and don't favor tipping, most people who have an opinion on this issue are neither, because most people aren't servers. I'm not a server and I'm not in favor of tipping because of the psychological effect cited, which might as well be a bait and switch. Menu price being the bait and paying 20% over that the switch. Reduced perception of value equivalent to saying the market would adjust when consumers are informed of the true cost of the product. But never mind all that, industries must always grow, even if it's wasteful and the community taken as a whole is worse off for it. And evidently because some servers like tips. Aces.