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> My sense of “honesty” isn’t dictated by the government. > Now whether I obey the law is determined strictly by a risk/rewards calculation That's the most in

> My sense of “honesty” isn’t dictated by the government. > Now whether I obey the law is determined strictly by a risk/rewards calculation That's the most intellectually dishonest answer I've seen to "I followed the law in a specific scenario".

scarface74 8y ago
It’s not intellectually dishonest. Speeding is against the law. Do you speed? Have you ever downloaded a movie off of bit torrent? Do you think that Black people should have moved to the back of the bus in the 60s because it was the law? There were laws on the books in many southern states until recently making homosexual sex a sin. Should that law have been followed? There were laws against interracial marriage until the 60s and Utah is just now debating whether a law against premarital sex should be taken off the books.
- praneshp 8y ago
  Sorry, the phrase risk/rewards was a trigger. I know acquaintances that drive in the carpool lane because they can afford to pay the fine if caught, and brag about it. You seemed to fall in that camp (vs thinking about higher level, heavily debated laws like the ones about homosexuality), but clearly that wasn't the case!
  - scarface74 8y ago
    You never answered the question - do you ever go over the speed limit? Would you speed if the penalty was $1000 a mile over? What’s the moral difference? And in either case there shouldn’t be anymore of “a debate” about how two grown people decide to have sex and who they should marry than whether a grown person should be allowed to drink. That 18 year old college student who the government doesn’t deem to be mature enough to drink is mature enough to vote, fight in the military, sign for a student loan that can potentially put them in 10s of thousands worth of debt, etc.
    - praneshp 8y ago
      No, I never ever go over the speed limit (except for the minor single digit breaches that happen when I'm not in cruise mode, etc.). But that's kind of a stupid question to ask, it's a super straightforward decision (at least for me) to follow the law when driving.

scarface74 8y ago

It’s not intellectually dishonest. Speeding is against the law. Do you speed? Have you ever downloaded a movie off of bit torrent? Do you think that Black people should have moved to the back of the bus in the 60s because it was the law? There were laws on the books in many southern states until recently making homosexual sex a sin. Should that law have been followed? There were laws against interracial marriage until the 60s and Utah is just now debating whether a law against premarital sex should be taken off the books.

praneshp 8y ago
Sorry, the phrase risk/rewards was a trigger. I know acquaintances that drive in the carpool lane because they can afford to pay the fine if caught, and brag about it. You seemed to fall in that camp (vs thinking about higher level, heavily debated laws like the ones about homosexuality), but clearly that wasn't the case!
- scarface74 8y ago
  You never answered the question - do you ever go over the speed limit? Would you speed if the penalty was $1000 a mile over? What’s the moral difference? And in either case there shouldn’t be anymore of “a debate” about how two grown people decide to have sex and who they should marry than whether a grown person should be allowed to drink. That 18 year old college student who the government doesn’t deem to be mature enough to drink is mature enough to vote, fight in the military, sign for a student loan that can potentially put them in 10s of thousands worth of debt, etc.
  - praneshp 8y ago
    No, I never ever go over the speed limit (except for the minor single digit breaches that happen when I'm not in cruise mode, etc.). But that's kind of a stupid question to ask, it's a super straightforward decision (at least for me) to follow the law when driving.