4 ms·

If all you care about is the US. Presumably the 2.5% figure is reasonably similar in many other countries, as opposed to the % who speak spanish, which will be

by SCdF 8y ago

If all you care about is the US. Presumably the 2.5% figure is reasonably similar in many other countries, as opposed to the % who speak spanish, which will be higher in spain but lower in kenya.

DarkWiiPlayer 8y ago
Except disabled kenyans won't really benefit from your english site being more accessible. Translating into spanish, on the other hand, will benefit lots of people outside the USA, for example in Mexico or Spain. So by extending the scope to outside the USA, you're essentially making an even stronger point that localization > accessibility
- SCdF 8y ago
  Erm English is a fluent second / third language to many Kenyans. Or do you mean something else? Anyway, I just picked Kenya randomly. I could have also stuck to English-speaking countries like NZ / Aus / Uk.
- jscholes 8y ago
  > localization > accessibility Speaking as a disabled (visually impaired) user here: Chrome can translate many websites while keeping their functionality intact, to the point where for many tasks, understanding the local language of that website is not a requirement. Granted, we can say this is for simple tasks, things that we already know how to do in our native language and are much the same across the world. But I'm living in a country where the majority of people don't speak English and the majority of websites and apps don't have an option to switch them into English. I'm still learning the local language, which is a slow process, but I don't feel too bad using websites here to get things done. Chrome can't improve the accessibility of an inaccessible website or app, full-stop. If it's inaccessible to the point of being unusable, there is nothing the browser can do. Maybe as a developer I can userscript it into compliance, or maybe I can just go to one of your competitors who either have an accessibility-first culture or have stumbled on accessibility by accident (I don't really care which). And maybe all the other blind people out there who don't know how to write JavaScript can learn it so they can make your website work for them. It's just as easy as learning how to say "Add to Cart" in Spanish, right? The other day I had to use the browser console just to check out on Lenovo's website, for crying out loud. Lenovo. Come on.
  - csande17 8y ago
    > Chrome can translate many websites while keeping their functionality intact, to the point where for many tasks, understanding the local language of that website is not a requirement. And that feature works better if the site follows accessibility best practices! So you might as well not put text in images, avoid overly-elaborate JavaScript, and so on; it'll help foreign language speakers as well as people with visual impairments.
- anoncake 8y ago
  People can learn other languages. Disabled people cant get rid of their disabilities.

by SCdF 8y ago

If all you care about is the US. Presumably the 2.5% figure is reasonably similar in many other countries, as opposed to the % who speak spanish, which will be higher in spain but lower in kenya.

DarkWiiPlayer 8y ago

Except disabled kenyans won't really benefit from your english site being more accessible. Translating into spanish, on the other hand, will benefit lots of people outside the USA, for example in Mexico or Spain. So by extending the scope to outside the USA, you're essentially making an even stronger point that localization > accessibility

SCdF 8y ago
Erm English is a fluent second / third language to many Kenyans. Or do you mean something else? Anyway, I just picked Kenya randomly. I could have also stuck to English-speaking countries like NZ / Aus / Uk.
jscholes 8y ago
> localization > accessibility Speaking as a disabled (visually impaired) user here: Chrome can translate many websites while keeping their functionality intact, to the point where for many tasks, understanding the local language of that website is not a requirement. Granted, we can say this is for simple tasks, things that we already know how to do in our native language and are much the same across the world. But I'm living in a country where the majority of people don't speak English and the majority of websites and apps don't have an option to switch them into English. I'm still learning the local language, which is a slow process, but I don't feel too bad using websites here to get things done. Chrome can't improve the accessibility of an inaccessible website or app, full-stop. If it's inaccessible to the point of being unusable, there is nothing the browser can do. Maybe as a developer I can userscript it into compliance, or maybe I can just go to one of your competitors who either have an accessibility-first culture or have stumbled on accessibility by accident (I don't really care which). And maybe all the other blind people out there who don't know how to write JavaScript can learn it so they can make your website work for them. It's just as easy as learning how to say "Add to Cart" in Spanish, right? The other day I had to use the browser console just to check out on Lenovo's website, for crying out loud. Lenovo. Come on.
- csande17 8y ago
  > Chrome can translate many websites while keeping their functionality intact, to the point where for many tasks, understanding the local language of that website is not a requirement. And that feature works better if the site follows accessibility best practices! So you might as well not put text in images, avoid overly-elaborate JavaScript, and so on; it'll help foreign language speakers as well as people with visual impairments.
anoncake 8y ago
People can learn other languages. Disabled people cant get rid of their disabilities.