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> Why couldn't we have our own rules regarding copyright, like up until now? You didn't actually have that up until now either. > now the Germans and the Fren

> Why couldn't we have our own rules regarding copyright, like up until now? You didn't actually have that up until now either. > now the Germans and the French rule our country Citation very much needed, unless you mean nominally German and French companies delegating factories and subsidiaries to your country, in which case, that's the point. > and you people praise the EU for that while my grandfathers died for us to be sovereign I think if you'd ask them, they died for their children to have a better life, and not having to fight any more wars. Also, a lot of (great)-grandfathers died in countries that are pretty happy to be in the EU; your appeal to nationalism is pretty offensive here. > BTW yes, most people here would rather be poor and sovereign than the EU alternative. Your country can just decide to leave. If the burden of delegating some super-national matters to a larger voluntary body becomes too much, you can just opt-out.

TomMarius 8y ago
> You didn't actually have that up until now either. Yes, and we liked it. > Citation very much needed, unless you mean nominally German and French companies delegating factories and subsidiaries to your country, in which case, that's the point. See how countries are represented in the EP. > I think if you'd ask them, they died for their children to have a better life, and not having to fight any more wars. Also, a lot of (great)-grandfathers died in countries that are pretty happy to be in the EU; your appeal to nationalism is pretty offensive here. You know what, I actually asked them. Our nation maintains a project called "memory of the nation" that collects inputs like this from as many important and ordinary people of past times as possible, from various sources such as chronicles, personal diaries, letters, books, court hearings etc as well as actual conversations with them. It is exactly what I said it is, please don't try to school me on my own nation. Our grandfathers died because they wanted us to be sovereign. Please don't try to change their (well documented) message. The whole thing by itself has nothing to do with nationalism! It is the fact that the western nations have been the oppressors of our people and the (provably) 300+-year old understanding of the whole nation (and its literature, songs, art...) that in order to be free at our homes, the country has to be sovereign - because our ideas about politics and what freedom is are different than yours. > Your country can just decide to leave. If the burden of delegating some super-national matters to a larger voluntary body becomes too much, you can just opt-out. It can not. The EU has just shown everyone that it will absolutely and purposefully destroy anyone that tries and severe all their international ties to a state roughly equivalent to the Cold War. On top of that, our country is economically tightly tied to Germany and France and their investors - whatever our citizens want, these foreign investors will work against it, and now their governments (that will naturally protect and help their citizens as much as possible) have the power to override our laws directly, the last thing they lacked.
- craigsmansion 8y ago
  > Yes, and we liked it. The Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001 on the harmonisation of certain aspects of copyright and related rights in the information society, or, in short the "Copyright directive" was from 2001. You adhered to that on joining in 2004. The current proposal build on and extends that, so, in conclusion, you didn't actually have that up until now. > See how countries are represented in the EP. Fortunately another poster did your homework for you: "In the countries with 10 million population, you have roughly 500k people per MEP. In Germany & France, it's 850k." But regardless, MEPs are part of European parties, which, to exist, need to represent a cross section of EU countries. EU matters are sometimes instigated by countries, but signed off on by international political blocks. There are anti-EU parties for you to vote on. > On top of that, our country is economically tightly tied to Germany and France and their investors A terrible thing that, employment and economic stability. Fortunately, you can elect a government that throws them out, together with the EU, and nationalise all their property and do it your way. Venezuela did exactly that, and you could join them in their glorious ascent to complete sovereignity. > The EU has just shown everyone that it will absolutely and purposefully destroy anyone Citation needed, and I sure hope you're not thinking of "Brexit" as some sort of example here. > The whole thing by itself has nothing to do with nationalism! Except for the "our people" and the "noble blood of our forebears" and the "insidious foreign influences" bits.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    > A terrible thing that, employment and economic stability. Fortunately, you can elect a government that throws them out, together with the EU, and nationalise all their property and do it your way. Venezuela did exactly that, and you could join them in their glorious ascent to complete sovereignity. But we don't want to be a country that nationalises stuff. The point is on the exact opposite of the political scale. We (the citizens) didn't want to sell it away dirt cheap in the first place. > Fortunately another poster did your homework for you: "In the countries with 10 million population, you have roughly 500k people per MEP. In Germany & France, it's 850k." How are German and French citizens relevant to the laws of my country, why do they have a say about it in a vote? I don't want to vote about Germany either. > Except for the "our people" and the "noble blood of our forebears" and the "insidious foreign influences" bits. Nothing noble about it. There is nothing wrong with cherishing your heritage, especially in case of people just a generation or two away. ;-) Are you denying history? Our national history has undeniably significantly shaped our whole culture - movies, theatre, language, literature, music, art, ways of parenting and education and so on... Basically the whole Czech culture is build on top of the fight against foreign oppression and the will to gain sovereignty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_National_Revival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_National_Revival Our people == citizens, nothing else. When I say nation, I mean people with common cultural background and in most cases citizenship. I don't care about immigrants, economical migrants and even refugees and I support helping them in any way possible, BTW - they're free to live with us, by our rules (or their, if they're citizens already).

TomMarius 8y ago

> You didn't actually have that up until now either. Yes, and we liked it. > Citation very much needed, unless you mean nominally German and French companies delegating factories and subsidiaries to your country, in which case, that's the point. See how countries are represented in the EP. > I think if you'd ask them, they died for their children to have a better life, and not having to fight any more wars. Also, a lot of (great)-grandfathers died in countries that are pretty happy to be in the EU; your appeal to nationalism is pretty offensive here. You know what, I actually asked them. Our nation maintains a project called "memory of the nation" that collects inputs like this from as many important and ordinary people of past times as possible, from various sources such as chronicles, personal diaries, letters, books, court hearings etc as well as actual conversations with them. It is exactly what I said it is, please don't try to school me on my own nation. Our grandfathers died because they wanted us to be sovereign. Please don't try to change their (well documented) message. The whole thing by itself has nothing to do with nationalism! It is the fact that the western nations have been the oppressors of our people and the (provably) 300+-year old understanding of the whole nation (and its literature, songs, art...) that in order to be free at our homes, the country has to be sovereign - because our ideas about politics and what freedom is are different than yours. > Your country can just decide to leave. If the burden of delegating some super-national matters to a larger voluntary body becomes too much, you can just opt-out. It can not. The EU has just shown everyone that it will absolutely and purposefully destroy anyone that tries and severe all their international ties to a state roughly equivalent to the Cold War. On top of that, our country is economically tightly tied to Germany and France and their investors - whatever our citizens want, these foreign investors will work against it, and now their governments (that will naturally protect and help their citizens as much as possible) have the power to override our laws directly, the last thing they lacked.

craigsmansion 8y ago
> Yes, and we liked it. The Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001 on the harmonisation of certain aspects of copyright and related rights in the information society, or, in short the "Copyright directive" was from 2001. You adhered to that on joining in 2004. The current proposal build on and extends that, so, in conclusion, you didn't actually have that up until now. > See how countries are represented in the EP. Fortunately another poster did your homework for you: "In the countries with 10 million population, you have roughly 500k people per MEP. In Germany & France, it's 850k." But regardless, MEPs are part of European parties, which, to exist, need to represent a cross section of EU countries. EU matters are sometimes instigated by countries, but signed off on by international political blocks. There are anti-EU parties for you to vote on. > On top of that, our country is economically tightly tied to Germany and France and their investors A terrible thing that, employment and economic stability. Fortunately, you can elect a government that throws them out, together with the EU, and nationalise all their property and do it your way. Venezuela did exactly that, and you could join them in their glorious ascent to complete sovereignity. > The EU has just shown everyone that it will absolutely and purposefully destroy anyone Citation needed, and I sure hope you're not thinking of "Brexit" as some sort of example here. > The whole thing by itself has nothing to do with nationalism! Except for the "our people" and the "noble blood of our forebears" and the "insidious foreign influences" bits.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  > A terrible thing that, employment and economic stability. Fortunately, you can elect a government that throws them out, together with the EU, and nationalise all their property and do it your way. Venezuela did exactly that, and you could join them in their glorious ascent to complete sovereignity. But we don't want to be a country that nationalises stuff. The point is on the exact opposite of the political scale. We (the citizens) didn't want to sell it away dirt cheap in the first place. > Fortunately another poster did your homework for you: "In the countries with 10 million population, you have roughly 500k people per MEP. In Germany & France, it's 850k." How are German and French citizens relevant to the laws of my country, why do they have a say about it in a vote? I don't want to vote about Germany either. > Except for the "our people" and the "noble blood of our forebears" and the "insidious foreign influences" bits. Nothing noble about it. There is nothing wrong with cherishing your heritage, especially in case of people just a generation or two away. ;-) Are you denying history? Our national history has undeniably significantly shaped our whole culture - movies, theatre, language, literature, music, art, ways of parenting and education and so on... Basically the whole Czech culture is build on top of the fight against foreign oppression and the will to gain sovereignty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_National_Revival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_National_Revival Our people == citizens, nothing else. When I say nation, I mean people with common cultural background and in most cases citizenship. I don't care about immigrants, economical migrants and even refugees and I support helping them in any way possible, BTW - they're free to live with us, by our rules (or their, if they're citizens already).