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You don't get to keep having do overs until enough of your opposition has died to get the result you want. Might as well just start banning "racists" and other

You don't get to keep having do overs until enough of your opposition has died to get the result you want. Might as well just start banning "racists" and other undesirables from the polls outright if that's the path you want to go down.

lm28469 8y ago
Or realize that referendums shouldn't be used for anything other than getting a rough idea of the population's opinion and starting discussions between people who actually know what they're talking about.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Oh yes. Giving the population a direct vote on anything is wildly dangerous and unpredictable unless you're Switzerland.
SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
> You don't get to keep having do overs One could say the same about May's repeated requests for votes in parliament on her "deal". It was rejected, we need a better solution. I voted remain but I'd rather crash out with no deal on the 29th than go through this endless uncertainty ad nauseum.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Agreed. If she's offering something different each time then you can possibly call it a negotiation. But the identical terms / proposition each time is a farce. I'm of the opinion you guys should get the Empire back together. The Canadians would love it.
minikites 8y ago
I'm only pointing out that the two sides were not competing fairly, e.g. the Leave side broke the law: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vote-leave-campaign-undermines-brexit-vote-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vot...
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Then what's the legal recourse / precedent for handling illegal votes? If it's not codified, then it sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter
  - pjc50 8y ago
    Normally the result would be overturned. See Lutfur Rahman: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 Apparently the Brexit referendum was "advisory" so this doesn't count. > sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter Everything is a failure of the government structure and charter at the moment, pal. We've had half a dozen constitutional crises this year and the Speaker is digging up precendent from 1604.
    - huffmsa 8y ago
      Yeah this is a mess. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_K... Sounds like it's time for a revolution and rewrite.

lm28469 8y ago

Or realize that referendums shouldn't be used for anything other than getting a rough idea of the population's opinion and starting discussions between people who actually know what they're talking about.

huffmsa 8y ago
Oh yes. Giving the population a direct vote on anything is wildly dangerous and unpredictable unless you're Switzerland.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago

> You don't get to keep having do overs One could say the same about May's repeated requests for votes in parliament on her "deal". It was rejected, we need a better solution. I voted remain but I'd rather crash out with no deal on the 29th than go through this endless uncertainty ad nauseum.

huffmsa 8y ago
Agreed. If she's offering something different each time then you can possibly call it a negotiation. But the identical terms / proposition each time is a farce. I'm of the opinion you guys should get the Empire back together. The Canadians would love it.

minikites 8y ago

I'm only pointing out that the two sides were not competing fairly, e.g. the Leave side broke the law: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vote-leave-campaign-undermines-brexit-vote-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vot...

huffmsa 8y ago
Then what's the legal recourse / precedent for handling illegal votes? If it's not codified, then it sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter
- pjc50 8y ago
  Normally the result would be overturned. See Lutfur Rahman: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 Apparently the Brexit referendum was "advisory" so this doesn't count. > sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter Everything is a failure of the government structure and charter at the moment, pal. We've had half a dozen constitutional crises this year and the Speaker is digging up precendent from 1604.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Yeah this is a mess. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_K... Sounds like it's time for a revolution and rewrite.