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>We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay The two halves are not static. Leave voters are predominately older and enough of them

>We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay The two halves are not static. Leave voters are predominately older and enough of them have died to shift the proportion (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-remain-vote-support-against-poll-uk-europe-final-say-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-...). It's clear that that Leave was a racist (https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/06/25/483362200/brexit-whats-race-got-to-do-with-it https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/06/25/483362200...) campaign designed to frighten old people. >Even if no one had changed their mind since the 2016 referendum, population changes mean that, from 19 January 2019, a majority of voters will back staying in the EU, according to the analysis. By 29 March, when Britain is due to leave the bloc, the Remain side is forecast to have a majority of around 100,000.

huffmsa 8y ago
You don't get to keep having do overs until enough of your opposition has died to get the result you want. Might as well just start banning "racists" and other undesirables from the polls outright if that's the path you want to go down.
- lm28469 8y ago
  Or realize that referendums shouldn't be used for anything other than getting a rough idea of the population's opinion and starting discussions between people who actually know what they're talking about.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Oh yes. Giving the population a direct vote on anything is wildly dangerous and unpredictable unless you're Switzerland.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  > You don't get to keep having do overs One could say the same about May's repeated requests for votes in parliament on her "deal". It was rejected, we need a better solution. I voted remain but I'd rather crash out with no deal on the 29th than go through this endless uncertainty ad nauseum.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Agreed. If she's offering something different each time then you can possibly call it a negotiation. But the identical terms / proposition each time is a farce. I'm of the opinion you guys should get the Empire back together. The Canadians would love it.
- minikites 8y ago
  I'm only pointing out that the two sides were not competing fairly, e.g. the Leave side broke the law: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vote-leave-campaign-undermines-brexit-vote-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vot...
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Then what's the legal recourse / precedent for handling illegal votes? If it's not codified, then it sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter
    - pjc50 8y ago
      Normally the result would be overturned. See Lutfur Rahman: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 Apparently the Brexit referendum was "advisory" so this doesn't count. > sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter Everything is a failure of the government structure and charter at the moment, pal. We've had half a dozen constitutional crises this year and the Speaker is digging up precendent from 1604.
      - huffmsa 8y ago
        Yeah this is a mess. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_K... Sounds like it's time for a revolution and rewrite.
tomp 8y ago
People become more conservative as they grow older and more experienced (case in point: in Slovenia, the support for the far-left party with almost communist policies is highest amongst the young). Maybe the old dying would be outweighted by the young growing older.
- minikites 8y ago
  That's not accurate at all, it's one of those "common sense" myths that sounds good but isn't supported by evidence. https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2018/07/24/conservatism_in_the_age_of_millennials_110724.html https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2018/07/24/conserva... https://www.jstor.org/stable/25472493 https://www.jstor.org/stable/25472493

huffmsa 8y ago

You don't get to keep having do overs until enough of your opposition has died to get the result you want. Might as well just start banning "racists" and other undesirables from the polls outright if that's the path you want to go down.

lm28469 8y ago
Or realize that referendums shouldn't be used for anything other than getting a rough idea of the population's opinion and starting discussions between people who actually know what they're talking about.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Oh yes. Giving the population a direct vote on anything is wildly dangerous and unpredictable unless you're Switzerland.
SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
> You don't get to keep having do overs One could say the same about May's repeated requests for votes in parliament on her "deal". It was rejected, we need a better solution. I voted remain but I'd rather crash out with no deal on the 29th than go through this endless uncertainty ad nauseum.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Agreed. If she's offering something different each time then you can possibly call it a negotiation. But the identical terms / proposition each time is a farce. I'm of the opinion you guys should get the Empire back together. The Canadians would love it.
minikites 8y ago
I'm only pointing out that the two sides were not competing fairly, e.g. the Leave side broke the law: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vote-leave-campaign-undermines-brexit-vote-court-told https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vot...
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Then what's the legal recourse / precedent for handling illegal votes? If it's not codified, then it sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter
  - pjc50 8y ago
    Normally the result would be overturned. See Lutfur Rahman: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45452342 Apparently the Brexit referendum was "advisory" so this doesn't count. > sounds like a failure of the government structure and charter Everything is a failure of the government structure and charter at the moment, pal. We've had half a dozen constitutional crises this year and the Speaker is digging up precendent from 1604.
    - huffmsa 8y ago
      Yeah this is a mess. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_K... Sounds like it's time for a revolution and rewrite.

tomp 8y ago

People become more conservative as they grow older and more experienced (case in point: in Slovenia, the support for the far-left party with almost communist policies is highest amongst the young). Maybe the old dying would be outweighted by the young growing older.

minikites 8y ago
That's not accurate at all, it's one of those "common sense" myths that sounds good but isn't supported by evidence. https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2018/07/24/conservatism_in_the_age_of_millennials_110724.html https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2018/07/24/conserva... https://www.jstor.org/stable/25472493 https://www.jstor.org/stable/25472493