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I don't see any decentralized services making a dent until the residential internet infrastructure improves by an order of magnitude. There is such a huge dispa

I don't see any decentralized services making a dent until the residential internet infrastructure improves by an order of magnitude. There is such a huge disparity between upload and download bandwidth that I fail to see any immediate future for decentralized or p2p replacements for things.

layoutIfNeeded 8y ago
And ipv6 deployment without NAT.
cr0sh 8y ago
> There is such a huge disparity between upload and download bandwidth that I fail to see any immediate future for decentralized or p2p replacements for things. I believe there are valid technical reasons for this, at least for coax connections; fiber not-so-much. At the same time, I get what you are saying. ...and this is how they want it. In short, they keep the "last mile" from allowing true "peering". The best you can do - and this is to mainly get around the TOS statements that (technically) prevent you from running servers (as well as physically blocking you from running anything on port 80 and 25 mainly, plus probably others) - is to purchase a business plan instead of a consumer plan. Though I am sure they will try to (or do) block this if the installation address is for a home and not an office (then again, what about small home offices and such?). I don't know a good way around any of these issues, as it seems all high-speed providers do similar things (most are aimed at prevention of spam and other similar reasons). Even the WISPs I've seen in my area have weird terms (one seems really great for the rural area they serve - until you come to the clause about not being allow to run BT because of "multiple streams"; I tend to wonder if they only allow a single user to use a browser - on a single page - or what).
Nasrudith 8y ago
I suspect one thing that would help that is if upload bandwidth intensive activity grew in popularity. Also a matter of who they want to reach and why for demand. In terms of use cases decentralization is currently still in Cypherpunks (doing it for its own sake) and "connoisseurs" (doing it because what they want isn't available otherwise regardless if it is accessing paid content but bypassing geofences, infringing downloads, or banned content). I would like to see decentralization be viable as well but it is fairly niche and a solution looking for a problem. Currently media is downloading more than uploading even for video games. Client trust issues (and not allowing arbitrary cheating) encourage centralization to at least domain servers for the sake of validation and finding other players. I think something ARGy like say Pokemon Go but strategic (you have fixed resource pools and open knowledge of everything thus cheaters can instantly be flagged as not playing the same rules). But that would also be niche. One thing that really could use decentralization is IoT (along with actually making it worth useful and security). Of course the whole domain is sadly a hot mess of greed often about gathering as much data from their customer, screwing them over with needless connectivity requirements and considering actual functionality an afterthought and security an afterthought to that and then wondering why it isn't catching on. That is a whole other rant.

layoutIfNeeded 8y ago

And ipv6 deployment without NAT.

cr0sh 8y ago

> There is such a huge disparity between upload and download bandwidth that I fail to see any immediate future for decentralized or p2p replacements for things. I believe there are valid technical reasons for this, at least for coax connections; fiber not-so-much. At the same time, I get what you are saying. ...and this is how they want it. In short, they keep the "last mile" from allowing true "peering". The best you can do - and this is to mainly get around the TOS statements that (technically) prevent you from running servers (as well as physically blocking you from running anything on port 80 and 25 mainly, plus probably others) - is to purchase a business plan instead of a consumer plan. Though I am sure they will try to (or do) block this if the installation address is for a home and not an office (then again, what about small home offices and such?). I don't know a good way around any of these issues, as it seems all high-speed providers do similar things (most are aimed at prevention of spam and other similar reasons). Even the WISPs I've seen in my area have weird terms (one seems really great for the rural area they serve - until you come to the clause about not being allow to run BT because of "multiple streams"; I tend to wonder if they only allow a single user to use a browser - on a single page - or what).

Nasrudith 8y ago

I suspect one thing that would help that is if upload bandwidth intensive activity grew in popularity. Also a matter of who they want to reach and why for demand. In terms of use cases decentralization is currently still in Cypherpunks (doing it for its own sake) and "connoisseurs" (doing it because what they want isn't available otherwise regardless if it is accessing paid content but bypassing geofences, infringing downloads, or banned content). I would like to see decentralization be viable as well but it is fairly niche and a solution looking for a problem. Currently media is downloading more than uploading even for video games. Client trust issues (and not allowing arbitrary cheating) encourage centralization to at least domain servers for the sake of validation and finding other players. I think something ARGy like say Pokemon Go but strategic (you have fixed resource pools and open knowledge of everything thus cheaters can instantly be flagged as not playing the same rules). But that would also be niche. One thing that really could use decentralization is IoT (along with actually making it worth useful and security). Of course the whole domain is sadly a hot mess of greed often about gathering as much data from their customer, screwing them over with needless connectivity requirements and considering actual functionality an afterthought and security an afterthought to that and then wondering why it isn't catching on. That is a whole other rant.