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I knew of that 9 months ago, but nobody was interested so I dropped it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1732

I knew of that 9 months ago, but nobody was interested so I dropped it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825

taneq 8y ago
Ouch. One of those times when it sucks to be right, I guess...
kome 8y ago
thank you for the previous post, really. it's frustrating to be ignored when you are right. a lot of this industry (in particular web and mobile technologies) survives thanks to systematic privacy violations. it's nice to keep the eyes wide open.
henriklied 8y ago
Wow, this is interesting. I’ve sent you an email.
Jonnax 8y ago
The ask hacker news section isn't really a good avenue for discussion unless it's a general topic like:What's a good framework? or Give me an easy idea to make money. Best thing to do would have been to contact tech sites with the info. Like The register would definitely do an article about it.
- krn 8y ago
  > The ask hacker news section isn't really a good avenue for discussion I think "Tell HN:" is for such cases, but it's just not as popular.
gvand 8y ago
I wonder how often this kind of comments fall through the cracks like this. Happened to me too with something privacy related about one of the big Corps that then was noticed by everyone else a few weeks later... I agree with others, better open a "Tell HN" in this cases.
- nuclx 8y ago
  Happens with a lot of posts, if they don't reach a critical mass of upvotes early on. In this case probably nobody could verify, if the claims were correct.
  - killjoywashere 8y ago
    Maybe we should add a new topline category, "threat reports"?
    - calgoo 8y ago
      I actually like that option, it would allow us to filter and extract the info as well. I could see a nice little app on my phone where i could setup alerts based on the systems / apps i choose, and getting a notification if one of them where tagged. A little bit like Have I been pawned, but with software and hardware threats.
    - quickthrower2 8y ago
      This seems outside of HN remit, but definitely worth being a site of its own with an RSS feed. I feel this should be curated not based on community voting.
      - killjoywashere 8y ago
        US-CERT is already a thing. But we all hang out here. I think this community has a special collection of talents that could foster positive relationships with the larger society.
      - jimmy_ruska 8y ago
        Somewhat related subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec
  - punnerud 8y ago
    There is a new feature on HN these days to fix this: If a post get upvotes later, it will often be given a second chance to ‘try to shine’ to the front page. With this comment I think it was to hard for people to understand in the first place.
xrisk 8y ago
How do I generate a list like this?
- akerro 8y ago
  Login to android shell using adb
  - kopijahe 8y ago
    More specifically: adb shell pm list packages You can sort it alphabetically by piping it through the "sort" command, like this: adb shell "pm list packages | sort"
deleted 8y ago
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emmelaich 8y ago
What model? 5,6,7? Or you think all?
- v4n4d1s 8y ago
  I have a Nokia 3 and a Nokia 7.0 Plus, both had a bunch of com.evenwell.* packages installed. I think all HMD devices have those packages.
  - henriklied 8y ago
    Would love to speak to you about this. Can you send me an email? henrik.lied [at] nrk.no
    - v4n4d1s 8y ago
      Send you a mail from a newly created mail account.
duiker101 8y ago
Your title wasn't really great honestly, unfortunately this community is often based first impressions.
- quickthrower2 8y ago
  Or more bluntly: click bait wins. Now you don’t get away with taboola style headlines here, they have to be more sophisticated, but they need to grab interest.
  - Angostura 8y ago
    Clear headlines that put the most salient information in the headline are not clickbait. The headline on this post is not clickbait.
  - duiker101 8y ago
    Click bait is an unfortunate reality but I think it's possible to create decent titles that are not just misleading. Personally I think this OP might even be a bit too much, but milankragujevic's was plain confusing.
  - tomtomtom777 8y ago
    In this case, it's not click bait that is winning. > Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server isn't click bait, but simply much more clear and to the point than > Ask HN: HMD Global (Nokia) is acting shady Any recourse?
    - 0815test 8y ago
      "You won't BELIEVE what these Nokia phones are sending to China! Read the Secret we Found Out."
  - ahakki 8y ago
    I got most of my karma through «clickbait» stuff. If you manage to post something like the Apple annual report, you can get a million free points basically. You just gotta be quick.
robocat 8y ago
I think you didn't know that data was being sent. From what I read, you just had suspicions, which is a big difference.
a13n 8y ago
It's also really hard to read your writing when what should be an entire paragraph is one sentence.
buro9 8y ago
I have a work device that is a Nokia 8. I see the evenwell apps too. Were you able to forcefully uninstall these via adb?

I knew of that 9 months ago, but nobody was interested so I dropped it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825

taneq 8y ago

Ouch. One of those times when it sucks to be right, I guess...

kome 8y ago

thank you for the previous post, really. it's frustrating to be ignored when you are right. a lot of this industry (in particular web and mobile technologies) survives thanks to systematic privacy violations. it's nice to keep the eyes wide open.

henriklied 8y ago

Wow, this is interesting. I’ve sent you an email.

Jonnax 8y ago

The ask hacker news section isn't really a good avenue for discussion unless it's a general topic like:What's a good framework? or Give me an easy idea to make money. Best thing to do would have been to contact tech sites with the info. Like The register would definitely do an article about it.

krn 8y ago
> The ask hacker news section isn't really a good avenue for discussion I think "Tell HN:" is for such cases, but it's just not as popular.

gvand 8y ago

I wonder how often this kind of comments fall through the cracks like this. Happened to me too with something privacy related about one of the big Corps that then was noticed by everyone else a few weeks later... I agree with others, better open a "Tell HN" in this cases.

nuclx 8y ago
Happens with a lot of posts, if they don't reach a critical mass of upvotes early on. In this case probably nobody could verify, if the claims were correct.
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  Maybe we should add a new topline category, "threat reports"?
  - calgoo 8y ago
    I actually like that option, it would allow us to filter and extract the info as well. I could see a nice little app on my phone where i could setup alerts based on the systems / apps i choose, and getting a notification if one of them where tagged. A little bit like Have I been pawned, but with software and hardware threats.
  - quickthrower2 8y ago
    This seems outside of HN remit, but definitely worth being a site of its own with an RSS feed. I feel this should be curated not based on community voting.
    - killjoywashere 8y ago
      US-CERT is already a thing. But we all hang out here. I think this community has a special collection of talents that could foster positive relationships with the larger society.
    - jimmy_ruska 8y ago
      Somewhat related subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec
- punnerud 8y ago
  There is a new feature on HN these days to fix this: If a post get upvotes later, it will often be given a second chance to ‘try to shine’ to the front page. With this comment I think it was to hard for people to understand in the first place.

xrisk 8y ago

How do I generate a list like this?

akerro 8y ago
Login to android shell using adb
- kopijahe 8y ago
  More specifically: adb shell pm list packages You can sort it alphabetically by piping it through the "sort" command, like this: adb shell "pm list packages | sort"

deleted 8y ago

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emmelaich 8y ago

What model? 5,6,7? Or you think all?

v4n4d1s 8y ago
I have a Nokia 3 and a Nokia 7.0 Plus, both had a bunch of com.evenwell.* packages installed. I think all HMD devices have those packages.
- henriklied 8y ago
  Would love to speak to you about this. Can you send me an email? henrik.lied [at] nrk.no
  - v4n4d1s 8y ago
    Send you a mail from a newly created mail account.

duiker101 8y ago

Your title wasn't really great honestly, unfortunately this community is often based first impressions.

quickthrower2 8y ago
Or more bluntly: click bait wins. Now you don’t get away with taboola style headlines here, they have to be more sophisticated, but they need to grab interest.
- Angostura 8y ago
  Clear headlines that put the most salient information in the headline are not clickbait. The headline on this post is not clickbait.
- duiker101 8y ago
  Click bait is an unfortunate reality but I think it's possible to create decent titles that are not just misleading. Personally I think this OP might even be a bit too much, but milankragujevic's was plain confusing.
- tomtomtom777 8y ago
  In this case, it's not click bait that is winning. > Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server isn't click bait, but simply much more clear and to the point than > Ask HN: HMD Global (Nokia) is acting shady Any recourse?
  - 0815test 8y ago
    "You won't BELIEVE what these Nokia phones are sending to China! Read the Secret we Found Out."
- ahakki 8y ago
  I got most of my karma through «clickbait» stuff. If you manage to post something like the Apple annual report, you can get a million free points basically. You just gotta be quick.

robocat 8y ago

I think you didn't know that data was being sent. From what I read, you just had suspicions, which is a big difference.

a13n 8y ago

It's also really hard to read your writing when what should be an entire paragraph is one sentence.

buro9 8y ago

I have a work device that is a Nokia 8. I see the evenwell apps too. Were you able to forcefully uninstall these via adb?