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Travis is not exactly kicked out. Uber had lot of things wrong when it first started out. Uber was shit for highways when it first started out. When was phone a

Travis is not exactly kicked out. Uber had lot of things wrong when it first started out. Uber was shit for highways when it first started out. When was phone anonymisation introduced ? What if Uber was halted completely with the first stalker fucker ? Do you care about the increase in total accidents ? How many people dead because of Uber ? > 0. Give me the gory technical details of why her product didn't work. The way she was taken down was a witch-hunt, even if she was a horrible person who didn't blink. Thats what I meant in my original comment. IMO Uber has committed blunders in comparison, now where is my Uber movie !

acqq 8y ago
> Give me the gory technical details of why her product didn't work. I think this book has enough details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Blood:_Secrets_and_Lies_in_a_Silicon_Valley_Startup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Blood:_Secrets_and_Lies_in... And the crucial article is 2015: https://www.wsj.com/articles/theranos-has-struggled-with-blood-tests-1444881901 https://www.wsj.com/articles/theranos-has-struggled-with-blo...
- foobar_ 8y ago
  I still stand by my claim. It was blown way out of proportion. I think there are plenty of companies that did far worse that we don't hold equally accountable for. I hope she gets a second run after this mess.
  - Pyxl101 8y ago
    Elizabeth Holmes repeatedly lied to a wide variety of different people about the capabilities of her technology. It's fine to have an ambitious plan that might not work out. It's fine to have a dream so crazy you have no idea how to achieve it. It's not fine to lie about what technology you have today or its capabilities. It's one thing to make forward-looking statements that are optimistic, and another thing to misrepresent where you are right now, or what you have already done, or to deliberately mislead people. Elizabeth Holmes has done this repeatedly. Here are some examples of the lies that Holmes told, according to the SEC (1): 1) Holmes lied about how many blood tests her technology could perform. It could at best perform a dozen or so, but she lied and claimed it could perform hundreds. 2) Theranos gave fake demonstrations of its technology to major partners such as Walgreens. Holmes made it look like blood test demonstrations given to Walgreens were being performed on Theranos technology, when in fact third party commercial technology was being used. 3) Theranos gave investors fake demonstrations and fake information about its clinical trials. When investors visited Theranos, they frequently had their blood tested, and were given the impression these tests were run on Theranos machines. In fact, Theranos often ran these blood tests on third party commercial machines. 4) Holmes lied about military contracts. She told multiple investors as well as journalists that Theranos technology had been deployed by the Department of Defense on the battlefield in Afghanistan, and on medevac helicopters that transported casualties. Completely untrue. 5) Theranos made ridiculously unreasonable financial projections. In a year when Theranos had on the order of $100 thousand in revenue, she told investors that Theranos was on track to make $100 million in revenue. It would be fine for her to say that she planned to do all of these things. It is not fine for her to lie to investors claiming that these things had already happened when they had not. Lying is never OK, and lying like this is fraud. No sane investor would trust Holmes after what happened. (1) https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2018/comp-pr2018-41-theranos-holmes.pdf https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2018/comp-pr2018-4...
    - foobar_ 8y ago
      Now look at the 10,000 other scams going on. Wait why are they still ... going on. 1 down 9,999 more to go right ? Let's get them frauds! Oh ... wait it doesn't work that way right. We just spent all our energy on one, who has time to go after all of them. Let's watch the new movie! It has Jennifer Lawrence in it. Let's all feel good about ourselves! My startup is a fraud too but but I wouldn't lie like that. Note to self: If a major product doesn't workout and is a major fuckup, have a fire accident and say valuable I.P was destroyed in the fire and people have died. The tragedy! The tragedy! Honestly she either goes into oblivion or she has a second run. I hope she has a second run and makes it big because the sequel might as well be called - Vampire of Silicon Valley.
      - meko 8y ago
        The whataboutism here is palpable.
  - acqq 8y ago
    She didn't have a real product. The whole company promoted something that didn't exist, and was most probably technically unable to exist. Inside, they used the products of other companies, but even that wasn't reliable under the technical limitations that she imposed as the main "success" of the company. The actual diagnoses to actual humans were therefore often completely fake. The product was fake. The technological solution she claimed the company had didn't exist, and very probably it can't exist. And the financial and success claims about the company were also fake. The very thing that was apparently responsible for the success of the company just didn't exist, and even the scale of the apparent success was a lie. For all the details, the book I've already mentioned before.
  - meko 8y ago
    > there are plenty of companies that did far worse that we don't hold equally accountable for Close, bur no cigar. We should definitely hold those companies accountable. We don't, and that's the real problem, not being too harsh on Ms. Crazy-Eyes.

acqq 8y ago

> Give me the gory technical details of why her product didn't work. I think this book has enough details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Blood:_Secrets_and_Lies_in_a_Silicon_Valley_Startup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Blood:_Secrets_and_Lies_in... And the crucial article is 2015: https://www.wsj.com/articles/theranos-has-struggled-with-blood-tests-1444881901 https://www.wsj.com/articles/theranos-has-struggled-with-blo...

foobar_ 8y ago
I still stand by my claim. It was blown way out of proportion. I think there are plenty of companies that did far worse that we don't hold equally accountable for. I hope she gets a second run after this mess.
- Pyxl101 8y ago
  Elizabeth Holmes repeatedly lied to a wide variety of different people about the capabilities of her technology. It's fine to have an ambitious plan that might not work out. It's fine to have a dream so crazy you have no idea how to achieve it. It's not fine to lie about what technology you have today or its capabilities. It's one thing to make forward-looking statements that are optimistic, and another thing to misrepresent where you are right now, or what you have already done, or to deliberately mislead people. Elizabeth Holmes has done this repeatedly. Here are some examples of the lies that Holmes told, according to the SEC (1): 1) Holmes lied about how many blood tests her technology could perform. It could at best perform a dozen or so, but she lied and claimed it could perform hundreds. 2) Theranos gave fake demonstrations of its technology to major partners such as Walgreens. Holmes made it look like blood test demonstrations given to Walgreens were being performed on Theranos technology, when in fact third party commercial technology was being used. 3) Theranos gave investors fake demonstrations and fake information about its clinical trials. When investors visited Theranos, they frequently had their blood tested, and were given the impression these tests were run on Theranos machines. In fact, Theranos often ran these blood tests on third party commercial machines. 4) Holmes lied about military contracts. She told multiple investors as well as journalists that Theranos technology had been deployed by the Department of Defense on the battlefield in Afghanistan, and on medevac helicopters that transported casualties. Completely untrue. 5) Theranos made ridiculously unreasonable financial projections. In a year when Theranos had on the order of $100 thousand in revenue, she told investors that Theranos was on track to make $100 million in revenue. It would be fine for her to say that she planned to do all of these things. It is not fine for her to lie to investors claiming that these things had already happened when they had not. Lying is never OK, and lying like this is fraud. No sane investor would trust Holmes after what happened. (1) https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2018/comp-pr2018-41-theranos-holmes.pdf https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2018/comp-pr2018-4...
  - foobar_ 8y ago
    Now look at the 10,000 other scams going on. Wait why are they still ... going on. 1 down 9,999 more to go right ? Let's get them frauds! Oh ... wait it doesn't work that way right. We just spent all our energy on one, who has time to go after all of them. Let's watch the new movie! It has Jennifer Lawrence in it. Let's all feel good about ourselves! My startup is a fraud too but but I wouldn't lie like that. Note to self: If a major product doesn't workout and is a major fuckup, have a fire accident and say valuable I.P was destroyed in the fire and people have died. The tragedy! The tragedy! Honestly she either goes into oblivion or she has a second run. I hope she has a second run and makes it big because the sequel might as well be called - Vampire of Silicon Valley.
    - meko 8y ago
      The whataboutism here is palpable.
- acqq 8y ago
  She didn't have a real product. The whole company promoted something that didn't exist, and was most probably technically unable to exist. Inside, they used the products of other companies, but even that wasn't reliable under the technical limitations that she imposed as the main "success" of the company. The actual diagnoses to actual humans were therefore often completely fake. The product was fake. The technological solution she claimed the company had didn't exist, and very probably it can't exist. And the financial and success claims about the company were also fake. The very thing that was apparently responsible for the success of the company just didn't exist, and even the scale of the apparent success was a lie. For all the details, the book I've already mentioned before.
- meko 8y ago
  > there are plenty of companies that did far worse that we don't hold equally accountable for Close, bur no cigar. We should definitely hold those companies accountable. We don't, and that's the real problem, not being too harsh on Ms. Crazy-Eyes.