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AWS DeepRacer League
- the_cat_kittles 8y agothe idea is cool but the insane restrictions on how you make the software is terrible. is there anything like this that is more open? also, i was surprised at how bad the best ones were. is there something making this more difficult that i may be missing?
- turtlegrids 8y agodarn. the window for $249 deepracer is over? Still mentioned as $249 'introductory discount' at https://aws.amazon.com/deepracer/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/deepracer/pricing/ but upon clicking through to Amazon.com it's $399 now.
- shanxS 8y agoSpeaking for hobby RC car racers in Seattle, WA, average racer spend upto $1000 for a decent rig. That too when there are no returns on winning races.
- turtlegrids 8y agoare the hobby racers in Seattle switching to the deepracer platform since it's only $399?
- postalrat 8y agoWhy is it so expensive?
- richardw 8y agoMy reading is that pre-order is more expensive than launch price. "Can" vs "will be"? "You can pre-order your AWS DeepRacer car on Amazon.com for $399. For a limited time at launch AWS DeepRacer will be available at an introductory discount price of $249."
- turtlegrids 8y agoIt was previously $249 on Amazon.com. It's now $399. Not sure how to make it any more clear.
- JimmyAustin 8y agoI think he is confused by "Launch of pre-orders" vs "Launch of the product". It's an easy mistake to make.
- hedgehog 8y agoIt's cool that they are making a more packaged product. For a more hackable setup the original Donkey Car setup is pretty good and available now: http://www.donkeycar.com http://www.donkeycar.com
- mtw 8y agoOf interest , the DeepRacer does reinforcement learning while donkeycar has a completely different approach (supervised learning). It would be interesting to see them compete
- FIN_Master 8y agoDonkeycar is open source and modular by design, so nothing prevents using reinforcement learning. People are going there already.
- maccam912 8y agoI got a deep racer at Re:invent but I'm still waiting to get into the preview to play with it. Anyone from AWS cruising the comments here who might be able to enable it for my account?
- JimmyAustin 8y agoThis is incredibly cool, and I'd love to enter, but despite having one of the races in Sydney, the actual DeepRacer hardware doesn't ship outside of the United States. Baffling from a company that has a local presence in Australia. If anyone from AWS is reading, I'd love to buy one!
- cr0sh 8y agoAny idea if you can enter your own homebrew system? I mean, the hardware listed isn't really all that special. You could probably take this: https://blog.davidsingleton.org/nnrccar/ https://blog.davidsingleton.org/nnrccar/ Slap it on new-ish Samsung or Apple phone, coupled to a cheap-ish RC car... That'd probably get you 80% of the way; also, check out NVidia's "End-to-End" self-driving vehicle paper: https://images.nvidia.com/content/tegra/automotive/images/2016/solutions/pdf/end-to-end-dl-using-px.pdf https://images.nvidia.com/content/tegra/automotive/images/20... I built a tensorflow model from that trained on a 750 TI for the Udacity Self-Driving Car Engineer Nanodegree (it was part of the course to build such a thing that ran on a virtual track), and after training it did quite well - at least on a virtual track. A few tweaks to the model, maybe using the TensorFlowLite package or something on the phone - probably work fine for 99.9% of the runs...
- JimmyAustin 8y agoI actually completed the Udacity SDC course as well and implemented the same Nvidia NN. I looked into building my own implementation, but decided against it. I'm not particularly interested in the hardware, just the algorithms that drive it, and the amount of time spent getting the hardware working (not to mention a simulator ) would have been nontrivial. Perhaps I'll grab a Donkey.
- Calms 8y agoI'm not with Amazon and as much as I'd like to do the same, I suspect not. The whole idea of the competition would be to use the same hardware so it's a level playing field from a hardware perspective which turns it into a software competition, right?
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- mhh__ 8y agoIs it hotlapping or a race? One is a lot easier than the other as evidenced by codemasters's valiant attempts to write AI over the last few years. Also, it looks like they don't know the track beforehand but they seem to be taking absolutely bizarre lines through bends (Or is that an artifact of the model used?)
- applecrazy 8y agoThis is hotlapping, it seems. A race would be cooler.
- itronitron 8y agoyou might be interested in marble racing, it is very exciting and uses much less energy
- applecrazy 8y agoCorrect. But you don’t get the RL/ML/DL experience out of it.
- itronitron 8y agoTrue, but once self-automated racing cars are a solved thing, marble racing will still be more interesting to watch.
- xiaodai 8y agoThey dont even ship to australia but they have a Sydney event?
- Bedon292 8y agoThere are a bunch of events before they actually ship. They gave a bunch of them out at this past year's re:Invent, so I guess only those people who got them can participate until then.
- sdan 8y agoWhy is the age limit 18?
- pauljurczak 8y agoBecause ultimately you will have to pay for AWS and they don't want a kid to charge her parent's credit card.
- sdan 8y agoI'm more of a GCP fan since they provide so much in GCP credits. Unless you're doing hundreds of hours of compute, I don't think that getting a relatively high AWS bill to your card will be a problem.
- taneq 8y agoFor some reason most robotics contests seem to be restricted to highschool students. It's bizarre. It's like "Hey kids get into STEM because robots are cool! OK now stop and go build accounting software." Edit: Thinking more about it, it's even worse. "Hey kids, robotics is a toy for kids to play with."
- chucksmash 8y agoI think a big part of it is because as an adult with the time, inclination, some money, and programming skills you're expected to just go off and build things. I guess the same holds true for other adult things like paint-and-sips (you drink and paint a picture) though, so maybe you've come across an untapped market for bot-and-booze.
- pixelHD 8y agoNow that nvidia has released a cheaper jetson board, I'm really itching to get it and build a small RL car. Training on the device would be out of the question though. Anyone know of any successful DIY small RL cars?
- m3kw9 8y agoAmazon gets to keep the winners models?
- generalpf 8y agoThey already have them all.
- sarvind 8y agoThe models should be limited to within the confines of the s3 location you specify (and the physical deepracer device) unless you explicitly permit otherwise. Nothing that I see in the terms of use [0] cover access to the model. [0] https://aws.amazon.com/deepracer/device-terms-of-use/ https://aws.amazon.com/deepracer/device-terms-of-use/
- doctorstupid 8y agoMust the training be done in their cloud?
- sarvind 8y agoYou require AWS to at least activate and set up DeepRacer [0]. You don't strictly speaking need the cloud for training a DeepRacer model, although cloud access (via the DeepRacer console) could be the path of least friction. Much of the source code for training DeepRacer on AWS can be found on the amazon-sagemaker-examples github repo [1]. The sample training environment relies on Gazebo [2] which, while freely available, has a managed AWS offering [3]. But ultimately, you should just be able to deploy an RL Coach model to the device [4]. [0] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/deepracer/latest/developerguide/deploy-deepracer-project.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/deepracer/latest/developerguide/... [1] https://github.com/awslabs/amazon-sagemaker-examples/tree/master/reinforcement_learning/rl_deepracer_robomaker_coach_gazebo https://github.com/awslabs/amazon-sagemaker-examples/tree/ma... [2] http://gazebosim.org/ http://gazebosim.org/ [3] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/robomaker/latest/dg/simulation-tools-gazebo.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/robomaker/latest/dg/simulation-t... [4] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/deepracer/latest/developerguide/deepracer-drive-your-vehicle.html#deepracer-drive-vehicle-autonomously https://docs.aws.amazon.com/deepracer/latest/developerguide/...
- ralusek 8y agoThis is that weird future shit I was hoping would start to happen.
- jcims 8y agoWould be nice if there was a program to get these into high schools to bootstrap a more software oriented robotics option. Also a decent quality five or six DOF arm option instead of the racer might be interesting. Just dont call it DeepGripper.
- dtrailin 8y agoThere is already FIRST robotics competitions for that. FIRST tech league in particular is pretty software oriented. There programs are a great way to get students into programming and learning about writing real software.
- jcims 8y agoWasn’t aware of tech league. My daughter tried FIRST a few years back and it was way more hardware/build oriented which kind of killed her interest.
- dtrailin 8y agoIt's not clear to me why deep learning is required here. It seems like some dead simple lane following code would probably work just fine. This is generally how these competitions are done.
- TheEnder8 8y agoI got a DeepRacer car at Reinvent, but three months later I still can't use it :( Access to the DeepRacer section of the AWS console hasn't been made public, and I don't think there's any other way to program it.
- syntaxing 8y agoUdacity SDC alum here as well and this looks awesome. I'm tempted to buy one after reading about DIYRoboCars. I've been thinking about porting openpilot to my Jetson TX2 but have been reluctant since I have no way to test it. DeepRacer seems much funner and safer. I wonder how hackable the car will be. How hard would it be to set up a remote ROS nodes rather using AWS services?