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yeah think of what he could have done for Nigeria. actually kind of sad. You need these sharp kids to grow up and help their own people so that there are less

yeah think of what he could have done for Nigeria. actually kind of sad. You need these sharp kids to grow up and help their own people so that there are less people wanting to escape.

Quarrelsome 8y ago
why'd ya wanna shake it that way? There's nothing stopping him from giving back at a later stage. Refugees are refugees for a reason, people leave countries for a reason. When the conditions are right again I'm sure they'll visit or their children will, giving an opportunity to contribute. Sometimes you've gotta leave, would you be annoyed for a Russian leaving Putin's autocratic Russia? For some (depending on career and background) it becomes the only safe option. Whenever people express this principle you did in that fashion it can't help but sound like a dog whistle of rationalisation for isolationalist and nationalist principles. I'm sorry if it isn't.
- cerealbad 8y ago
  isolationism and nationalism IS america.... selecting for highly intelligent immigrants is eugenicism, one step above racism - since racism at least allows for prejudicial morality, biological determinism doesn't have space for free will, let alone natural genetic variability or universal morality. rich european nations engage in various varian disasters in order to push through more regulations. america engages in predatory forced immigration by destabilizing ripe nations and then preying on their elites with faustian bargains. it's colonialism of the mind. if world power cared about the poor of africa they would stabilize it with a permanent global peace keeping force for one or two generations, and allow people the freedom and space to develop outside of the debt structure which has crippled them since independence. yes, they would do this by forced occupation, at the gasp cost of national sovereignty. china is engaged and accelerating in this process for the coming decades, and in return will secure resources for the next century of cold war. assad said something very telling when asked before the 2016 us presidential election who he preferred, it was something to the effect of "we don't listen to what the american politicians say, because they always do the opposite when they come to power. we will wait to see what they do." it's unfortunate that so many people just accept what america says, and avoid looking at what it does, has done, will do.
  - seppin 8y ago
    The whole point about refugees is you don't know what they will become, especially children.
unknownkadath 8y ago
Do you know his story?
TomMckenny 8y ago
Smart though he is, he couldn't contribute much from a child's grave.
KorematsuFred 8y ago
Sadly that is wrong kind of thinking. What make other Nigerians "his people" or his responsibility ? I feel humanity's interests are best served if an individual is able to move to the place where his talents are best used. World and consequently Nigeria is a better place because this little kid is in NY and not in a child grave in Nigeria. Of course there is a valid argument for Americans to say we can not take infinite people in anymore for various reasons and that is a fine argument. I think however it is unfair to force identities on people that they themselves are not interested in. We can extend similar arguments and say no black kid should move out of harlem and travel to pursue career in tech in Silicon valley instead she should stay back in Harlem and help "her" people.
- devmunchies 8y ago
  >the place where his talents are best used >to pursue career in tech in Silicon valley working for a tech company in SV is NOT the best thing for humanity. There is much more to do in Harlem or in this case Nigeria than working on marketing tech in the bay.
  - KorematsuFred 8y ago
    You are plain wrong. A good engineer can hav far better impact on the world through doing engineering (or marketing, or something else) where it is valued the most than doing the same thing in low opportunity areas like Harlem. You are underestimating how big the SV has been as a force of good around the world and the positive impact a company like Google has on even the tiny and remote villages in India or Africa. As someone who has come from dirt poor family and a completely backward village I can attest to that.
bradknowles 8y ago
Who is to say that he won't go back to his country of birth at a later time and use the knowledge he gained elsewhere to help them pull themselves up?
eaurouge 8y ago
I wonder if you would have the same reaction if this was a Pakistani kid, for instance. There’re lots of talented Nigerian immigrants all over the world - this kid won’t be the first lost to the US. And there are lots more talented kids that couldn’t make it out to the US, in Nigeria and in other developing countries.
BurningFrog 8y ago
Nigeria tried to kill him. He owes Nigeria nothing.

yeah think of what he could have done for Nigeria. actually kind of sad. You need these sharp kids to grow up and help their own people so that there are less people wanting to escape.

Quarrelsome 8y ago

why'd ya wanna shake it that way? There's nothing stopping him from giving back at a later stage. Refugees are refugees for a reason, people leave countries for a reason. When the conditions are right again I'm sure they'll visit or their children will, giving an opportunity to contribute. Sometimes you've gotta leave, would you be annoyed for a Russian leaving Putin's autocratic Russia? For some (depending on career and background) it becomes the only safe option. Whenever people express this principle you did in that fashion it can't help but sound like a dog whistle of rationalisation for isolationalist and nationalist principles. I'm sorry if it isn't.

cerealbad 8y ago
isolationism and nationalism IS america.... selecting for highly intelligent immigrants is eugenicism, one step above racism - since racism at least allows for prejudicial morality, biological determinism doesn't have space for free will, let alone natural genetic variability or universal morality. rich european nations engage in various varian disasters in order to push through more regulations. america engages in predatory forced immigration by destabilizing ripe nations and then preying on their elites with faustian bargains. it's colonialism of the mind. if world power cared about the poor of africa they would stabilize it with a permanent global peace keeping force for one or two generations, and allow people the freedom and space to develop outside of the debt structure which has crippled them since independence. yes, they would do this by forced occupation, at the gasp cost of national sovereignty. china is engaged and accelerating in this process for the coming decades, and in return will secure resources for the next century of cold war. assad said something very telling when asked before the 2016 us presidential election who he preferred, it was something to the effect of "we don't listen to what the american politicians say, because they always do the opposite when they come to power. we will wait to see what they do." it's unfortunate that so many people just accept what america says, and avoid looking at what it does, has done, will do.
- seppin 8y ago
  The whole point about refugees is you don't know what they will become, especially children.

unknownkadath 8y ago

Do you know his story?

TomMckenny 8y ago

Smart though he is, he couldn't contribute much from a child's grave.

KorematsuFred 8y ago

Sadly that is wrong kind of thinking. What make other Nigerians "his people" or his responsibility ? I feel humanity's interests are best served if an individual is able to move to the place where his talents are best used. World and consequently Nigeria is a better place because this little kid is in NY and not in a child grave in Nigeria. Of course there is a valid argument for Americans to say we can not take infinite people in anymore for various reasons and that is a fine argument. I think however it is unfair to force identities on people that they themselves are not interested in. We can extend similar arguments and say no black kid should move out of harlem and travel to pursue career in tech in Silicon valley instead she should stay back in Harlem and help "her" people.

devmunchies 8y ago
>the place where his talents are best used >to pursue career in tech in Silicon valley working for a tech company in SV is NOT the best thing for humanity. There is much more to do in Harlem or in this case Nigeria than working on marketing tech in the bay.
- KorematsuFred 8y ago
  You are plain wrong. A good engineer can hav far better impact on the world through doing engineering (or marketing, or something else) where it is valued the most than doing the same thing in low opportunity areas like Harlem. You are underestimating how big the SV has been as a force of good around the world and the positive impact a company like Google has on even the tiny and remote villages in India or Africa. As someone who has come from dirt poor family and a completely backward village I can attest to that.

bradknowles 8y ago

Who is to say that he won't go back to his country of birth at a later time and use the knowledge he gained elsewhere to help them pull themselves up?

eaurouge 8y ago

I wonder if you would have the same reaction if this was a Pakistani kid, for instance. There’re lots of talented Nigerian immigrants all over the world - this kid won’t be the first lost to the US. And there are lots more talented kids that couldn’t make it out to the US, in Nigeria and in other developing countries.

BurningFrog 8y ago

Nigeria tried to kill him. He owes Nigeria nothing.