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Elevators and medical devices go through extensive testing and certification processes before they ever go near being put into service. And when they are update

Elevators and medical devices go through extensive testing and certification processes before they ever go near being put into service. And when they are updated, they again go through extensive testing and certification. Teslas, on the other hand, apparently change their handling and driving profile overnight at the whim of the software engineers at Tesla, without even telling the drivers, and introducing bugs like the OP that are liable to get someone killed. They are not the same, and comparing them only highlights the issues that Tesla has around their OTA update practice.

paul7986 8y ago
Insane such type of commits into production need to be government regulated and scrutinized.
DarmokJalad1701 8y ago
> apparently change their handling and driving profile overnight at the whim of the software engineers at Tesla, without even telling the drivers OTA updates only happen after confirmed by the users. Where did you hear that it happens without user intervention?
- javagram 8y ago
  According to the linked Reddit poster “ Tesla's only release notes for this release were DOG MODE and SENTRY MODE. They don't tell you there is a massive change to AP and to reset your expectations.“
- FireBeyond 8y ago
  What part of this behavior do you think is covered by: * Improved DOG MODE * Improved SENTRY MODE Which were the release notes for the update?
- throwaway2048 8y ago
  But they agreed to the terms of service, what is everyone complaining about?
- Bluestrike2 8y ago
  You're right. The owner/driver has to approve the update, if I recall. But putting responsibility to review and understand release notes on the car's owner seems kind of absurd. And that's assuming that you have accurate and descriptive release notes, which was most certainly not the case for the described instance. In any case, clicking "update" is such a rote behavior for users on computers, phones, and now their Teslas, I'd argue that it's effectively no different than an update happening without notice or user intervention. There's only so much you can learn from even the best release notes, period. The ever-so-common "bug fixes," for example, is so broad that it effectively means nothing at all. At best, it's telling the end user "this little update just changes some stuff hidden under the hood. You won't notice anything, so don't give it any thought."
  - perl4ever 8y ago
    Disclosure seems like a red herring, if there is no real choice other than to accept the update. If I get an update to my car that says "this may cause your car to explode at random times", and I don't want to scrap it, the only thing I can do is look around and see if other people are ignoring the warning, and then rationalize that it won't happen to me. You can't ever look at consent outside of the context of the best available alternative to agreeing to something.

paul7986 8y ago

Insane such type of commits into production need to be government regulated and scrutinized.

DarmokJalad1701 8y ago

> apparently change their handling and driving profile overnight at the whim of the software engineers at Tesla, without even telling the drivers OTA updates only happen after confirmed by the users. Where did you hear that it happens without user intervention?

javagram 8y ago
According to the linked Reddit poster “ Tesla's only release notes for this release were DOG MODE and SENTRY MODE. They don't tell you there is a massive change to AP and to reset your expectations.“
FireBeyond 8y ago
What part of this behavior do you think is covered by: * Improved DOG MODE * Improved SENTRY MODE Which were the release notes for the update?
throwaway2048 8y ago
But they agreed to the terms of service, what is everyone complaining about?
Bluestrike2 8y ago
You're right. The owner/driver has to approve the update, if I recall. But putting responsibility to review and understand release notes on the car's owner seems kind of absurd. And that's assuming that you have accurate and descriptive release notes, which was most certainly not the case for the described instance. In any case, clicking "update" is such a rote behavior for users on computers, phones, and now their Teslas, I'd argue that it's effectively no different than an update happening without notice or user intervention. There's only so much you can learn from even the best release notes, period. The ever-so-common "bug fixes," for example, is so broad that it effectively means nothing at all. At best, it's telling the end user "this little update just changes some stuff hidden under the hood. You won't notice anything, so don't give it any thought."
- perl4ever 8y ago
  Disclosure seems like a red herring, if there is no real choice other than to accept the update. If I get an update to my car that says "this may cause your car to explode at random times", and I don't want to scrap it, the only thing I can do is look around and see if other people are ignoring the warning, and then rationalize that it won't happen to me. You can't ever look at consent outside of the context of the best available alternative to agreeing to something.