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Just a guess, but wouln't ops/devops work be a better fit for prisoners? Sitting for hours in front of a monitor, trying to solve an algorithmic puzzle doesn't

Just a guess, but wouln't ops/devops work be a better fit for prisoners? Sitting for hours in front of a monitor, trying to solve an algorithmic puzzle doesn't seem to be the kind of hobby that gets you into prison. Conducting a complex operation, assessing the risks, hands-on work with hardware, even being on-call and saving the day when outage hits, that's more like it.

raymondh 8y ago
Presumably, getting caught and convicted introduces a selection bias away from the traits you just listed.
systemspeed 8y ago
If ops/devops were purely a game, yes. Yet ops is privy to a mountain of confidential information and has the power to arbitrarily shut down revenue sources. I would say this introduces a lot of risk into the equation.
lozenge 8y ago
I'm not an ops guy, but it's not really something that can be taught - you need the experience, whether it's with your own project or for an employer. Unless you are talking about those mid-tier IT workers who get Cisco certs and which are being squeezed by the cloud and devops.
jacknews 8y ago
prisoners in control of production systems, what could go wrong?
- pnongrata 8y ago
  I've employed or worked with many ex-cons in my years. It was always the good guys who screwed up.
  - jacknews 8y ago
    I'm sure a good percentage of prisoners are there due to one stupid mistake, and many (hopefully most), leave prison reformed, or even enter prison reformed. I'm 100% for giving ex-cons a helping hand, and for offering training while they are prisoners - coding, of course, why not, it's a valuable skill. But that's not at all the same thing as having them sit monitoring/dev-oping production systems, which on the one hand is exploiting the prisoners, and on the other, exposes an obvious channel for un-reformed criminals to exploit. So yeah, prisoners doing devops work (rather than just devops training) is a dumb idea.

raymondh 8y ago

Presumably, getting caught and convicted introduces a selection bias away from the traits you just listed.

systemspeed 8y ago

If ops/devops were purely a game, yes. Yet ops is privy to a mountain of confidential information and has the power to arbitrarily shut down revenue sources. I would say this introduces a lot of risk into the equation.

lozenge 8y ago

I'm not an ops guy, but it's not really something that can be taught - you need the experience, whether it's with your own project or for an employer. Unless you are talking about those mid-tier IT workers who get Cisco certs and which are being squeezed by the cloud and devops.

jacknews 8y ago

prisoners in control of production systems, what could go wrong?

pnongrata 8y ago
I've employed or worked with many ex-cons in my years. It was always the good guys who screwed up.
- jacknews 8y ago
  I'm sure a good percentage of prisoners are there due to one stupid mistake, and many (hopefully most), leave prison reformed, or even enter prison reformed. I'm 100% for giving ex-cons a helping hand, and for offering training while they are prisoners - coding, of course, why not, it's a valuable skill. But that's not at all the same thing as having them sit monitoring/dev-oping production systems, which on the one hand is exploiting the prisoners, and on the other, exposes an obvious channel for un-reformed criminals to exploit. So yeah, prisoners doing devops work (rather than just devops training) is a dumb idea.