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Since ModelX incident I have made sure not to drive on first lane. I always drive on the 2nd lane and it is much better.

bdcravens 8y ago
For a $700 car I might consider crazy compromises, but $70k+? Absolutely not.
- warp_factor 8y ago
  That's what I find so interesting with Tesla owner. They spend a fortune on a car, then they minimize every single issue they have with the car. My explanation for this is that for a lot of owners, the car is a way to be part of a hyped group more than being a utilitarian object (what a car should be).
  - gojomo 8y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias
  - mikestew 8y ago
    Happens with a lot of stuff, certain American-made motorcycles, for instance. You're in the club now, and the only way to stay in the club is to carry the manufacturer's water. In no case are we to admit that we spent a bunch of money on something that does a poor job of fulfilling its advertised purpose.
    - bdcravens 8y ago
      Or more relevant to the HN audience, Apple.
      - mikestew 8y ago
        What, Tesla wasn't relevant enough for you to not take an "obligatory" dig at Apple product owners?
        bdcravens 8y ago
        Trust me, if I'm taking a dig, I'm pointing at myself; I have probably $7k of Cupertino products within arm's reach at the moment. But I have to admit there's times when the comparison is apt.
  - fh973 8y ago
    In context of Apple this was often referred to as the Stockholm Syndrome. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
  - serf 8y ago
    what's even more interesting is when a market of people choose to act out of the ordinary to cope with a product that has an issue, but in the situation where the product is self-learning to a degree. Tesla hits a wall, Folks drive abnormally due to qualms with incident, Tesla receives data and throws it in the ML mix, Car learns from people driving purposely strange. Of course, it doesn't work out like that; not enough people will do it to influence anything very much, but it's a funny thing to consider.
  - goshx 8y ago
    The point non owners miss is that early adopters are aware of what they are buying and what to expect, while the very vocal know-it-alls of the interwebs are judging the technology as if it was supposed to be perfect. I am glad Tesla’s future doesn’t depend on these people’s opinions.
  - jaimex2 8y ago
    The cars are brilliant pure and simple, minor defects get eclipsed. Nothing out there comes close to Autopilot. It's biggest problem is it works 99% of the time and people trust it too much. It's also worth noting you are NOT meant to be using it in work zone. A point a lot of comments seem to completely ignore. https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%203%20Owners%20Manual.pdf#page=75 https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%...
- MockObject 8y ago
  Folks might be even more likely to compromise with a $70k car than a $700 one. The psychology of sunk costs! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tyMdPwd8x2RygcheE/sunk-cost-fallacy https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tyMdPwd8x2RygcheE/sunk-cost-...
- sabareesh 8y ago
  Autopilot is a beta feature that you are choosing to buy. And it costs 3k and no one is close to what Tesla has that you can buy now
  - bdcravens 8y ago
    Nothing in their marketing suggests that it's a beta feature. (Just look at the Autopilot tab when configuring a new Tesla)
kurtisc 8y ago
Where I live, that's not legal.

bdcravens 8y ago

For a $700 car I might consider crazy compromises, but $70k+? Absolutely not.

warp_factor 8y ago
That's what I find so interesting with Tesla owner. They spend a fortune on a car, then they minimize every single issue they have with the car. My explanation for this is that for a lot of owners, the car is a way to be part of a hyped group more than being a utilitarian object (what a car should be).
- gojomo 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias
- mikestew 8y ago
  Happens with a lot of stuff, certain American-made motorcycles, for instance. You're in the club now, and the only way to stay in the club is to carry the manufacturer's water. In no case are we to admit that we spent a bunch of money on something that does a poor job of fulfilling its advertised purpose.
  - bdcravens 8y ago
    Or more relevant to the HN audience, Apple.
    - mikestew 8y ago
      What, Tesla wasn't relevant enough for you to not take an "obligatory" dig at Apple product owners?
      - bdcravens 8y ago
        Trust me, if I'm taking a dig, I'm pointing at myself; I have probably $7k of Cupertino products within arm's reach at the moment. But I have to admit there's times when the comparison is apt.
- fh973 8y ago
  In context of Apple this was often referred to as the Stockholm Syndrome. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
- serf 8y ago
  what's even more interesting is when a market of people choose to act out of the ordinary to cope with a product that has an issue, but in the situation where the product is self-learning to a degree. Tesla hits a wall, Folks drive abnormally due to qualms with incident, Tesla receives data and throws it in the ML mix, Car learns from people driving purposely strange. Of course, it doesn't work out like that; not enough people will do it to influence anything very much, but it's a funny thing to consider.
- goshx 8y ago
  The point non owners miss is that early adopters are aware of what they are buying and what to expect, while the very vocal know-it-alls of the interwebs are judging the technology as if it was supposed to be perfect. I am glad Tesla’s future doesn’t depend on these people’s opinions.
- jaimex2 8y ago
  The cars are brilliant pure and simple, minor defects get eclipsed. Nothing out there comes close to Autopilot. It's biggest problem is it works 99% of the time and people trust it too much. It's also worth noting you are NOT meant to be using it in work zone. A point a lot of comments seem to completely ignore. https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%203%20Owners%20Manual.pdf#page=75 https://www.tesla.com/content/dam/tesla/Ownership/Own/Model%...
MockObject 8y ago
Folks might be even more likely to compromise with a $70k car than a $700 one. The psychology of sunk costs! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tyMdPwd8x2RygcheE/sunk-cost-fallacy https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tyMdPwd8x2RygcheE/sunk-cost-...
sabareesh 8y ago
Autopilot is a beta feature that you are choosing to buy. And it costs 3k and no one is close to what Tesla has that you can buy now
- bdcravens 8y ago
  Nothing in their marketing suggests that it's a beta feature. (Just look at the Autopilot tab when configuring a new Tesla)

kurtisc 8y ago

Where I live, that's not legal.