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> If even 5 people had attacked this guy at once, he would have been taken down and many people saved. But those 5 people would have to take the increased risk

> If even 5 people had attacked this guy at once, he would have been taken down and many people saved. But those 5 people would have to take the increased risk of getting killed, which is difficult to convince than just run. Also the standard safety norms, says to do not indulge with the attacker.

RobertRoberts 8y ago
I understand and fully agree. That is why real training, even the most basic, is a good idea. Running and hiding didn't help any of these people. (unless they actually got out of the building) Those men let women and children die around them without even trying to save them.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  For those down voting my comment above, I think you have no idea what happened in that mosque. It was really sad, only one person tried to help anyone. Everyone else just laid down. Literally (I mean _literally_) just laid down and waited to be shot. Imagine if you are trapped in a room with your family, women and children and a gunman is coming. Would you tell your family to just lay down and wait to die? And you wouldn't try to do anything at all?
  - dang 8y ago
    You're probably being downvoted because of the judgmental position you're taking. None of us knows how we would react in such a situation, and to talk down about it on a message board is in poor taste at best (even though you probably didn't mean it that way). Also, I think you may be looking at this through the wrong frame. It's well known in the physiology of trauma that the body shuts down in overwhelming situations. That's the freeze part of fight, flight or freeze.
    - RobertRoberts 8y ago
      I think the problem is that most people in 1st world countries have never feared for their lives or for others. The past 100 years has made the world really safe for modern society, where we no longer rely on our own ability to keep us safe or our families, but rely solely on police. I think you would have commented how I did if you have had your life threatened before, and now see how docile/weak our modern society has made us. It's a really dangerous place to be in. I foresee us being pushed around by anyone with any sort of authority at all in the future, and the idea of protesting will come to end and some form/version of government will be the last one of it's kind and we will all just accept it, like it seems we are being trained for. Edit: I had just recently watched this retched video before commenting here, as I see way to often people making a clear stance with limited or no information to base it on. It was disturbing and I feel my comments are justified. If anyone else knows the entirety of the contents of the video and are not disturbed emotionally, something is wrong with them.

RobertRoberts 8y ago

I understand and fully agree. That is why real training, even the most basic, is a good idea. Running and hiding didn't help any of these people. (unless they actually got out of the building) Those men let women and children die around them without even trying to save them.

RobertRoberts 8y ago
For those down voting my comment above, I think you have no idea what happened in that mosque. It was really sad, only one person tried to help anyone. Everyone else just laid down. Literally (I mean _literally_) just laid down and waited to be shot. Imagine if you are trapped in a room with your family, women and children and a gunman is coming. Would you tell your family to just lay down and wait to die? And you wouldn't try to do anything at all?
- dang 8y ago
  You're probably being downvoted because of the judgmental position you're taking. None of us knows how we would react in such a situation, and to talk down about it on a message board is in poor taste at best (even though you probably didn't mean it that way). Also, I think you may be looking at this through the wrong frame. It's well known in the physiology of trauma that the body shuts down in overwhelming situations. That's the freeze part of fight, flight or freeze.
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    I think the problem is that most people in 1st world countries have never feared for their lives or for others. The past 100 years has made the world really safe for modern society, where we no longer rely on our own ability to keep us safe or our families, but rely solely on police. I think you would have commented how I did if you have had your life threatened before, and now see how docile/weak our modern society has made us. It's a really dangerous place to be in. I foresee us being pushed around by anyone with any sort of authority at all in the future, and the idea of protesting will come to end and some form/version of government will be the last one of it's kind and we will all just accept it, like it seems we are being trained for. Edit: I had just recently watched this retched video before commenting here, as I see way to often people making a clear stance with limited or no information to base it on. It was disturbing and I feel my comments are justified. If anyone else knows the entirety of the contents of the video and are not disturbed emotionally, something is wrong with them.