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Don't be naive, it's not being blocked because it's "obscene" or "snuff". There are plenty of sites with _far_ worse than this video on them that aren't blocked

Don't be naive, it's not being blocked because it's "obscene" or "snuff". There are plenty of sites with _far_ worse than this video on them that aren't blocked.

Taniwha 8y ago
No, that's exactly why it's being blocked, just because there's worse stuff out there doesn't suddenly make this evil stuff acceptable
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  It's being blocked for political reasons. Just like when the US went to war against Iraq, one argument was "Saddam is a dictator that kills his own people". But there are worse dictators before and after Saddam. You are using the same manipulative cherry-picked argument to justify censorship. Censorship is a weapon used by dictators, not free leaders.
  - Taniwha 8y ago
    It's being blocked by private companies, because they think it's the right thing to do in context, and I suspect largely for business reasons, they don't want to be convicted for passing around the snuff video. Censorship is part of our law, it's right and proper for the NZ censor to declare the snuff video as obscene, that's his job according to law. We're a democracy, if we decide we don't need a censor we'll legislate him away. In the meantime I'm curious why you are so in favour of this video, are you a supporter of the terrorist and his goals?
    - RobertRoberts 8y ago
      Here's the _government_ of NZ arresting people for _not_ censoring the video, with a worse punishment than murder and rape: (fyi, all censoring has to be done via private companies, unless NZ has all government run internet and tv?) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/new-zealand-men-could-get-14-years-for-sharing-massacre-video/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/new-zealand-men-... I absolutely loath the video, it's revolting. But as I mentioned ealier, worse stuff has been online and still is. I think the problem is that many people don't want to really know what was on the video and be appalled by it without truly knowing. Do you know what was on it? It was sick and terrible. But, since I have seen the whole thing (I made myself) I can compare it with other videos. The last few years of ISIS videos of drownings, murders, pushing people off of roofs, mass shootings, etc... (only part of a few I saw, and what I saw was so terrible I turned it off) A _slew_ of videos that are 10 times more graphic, sick and violent have been shown on CNN, Fox News and elsewhere. So, if you believe this one video is worse than others, I would like to know which part is more horrific than people being burned alive in a cage? Yet, I didn't hear one single peep about censoring those videos, or anyone being arrested or jailed for sharing ISIS terrorist propaganda.
      - Taniwha 8y ago
        Yes the video is illegal, those people were arrested because they broke the law. I'm sorry for you that you watched it all the way through, that sounds like a sick compulsion, please get help
        RobertRoberts 8y ago
        What were people so afraid of that if you saw this video you deserved to go to jail in some countries? Is it that bad? The ISIS videos of people being executed were magnitudes more gruesome than this, and they were on CNN/FOX news. Do you think everyone who watches the evening news has a sick compulsion as well?
  - bacon_waffle 8y ago
    New Zealand has decided, democratically, that we want to have a censor who does this sort of work. What would you consider to be a reasonable criteria for the censor to block a video?
    - RobertRoberts 8y ago
      Every culture has it's own definitions. The problem is that the world's cultures are mixing online, and the lowest tolerable level will win out. So, it doesn't matter what I think, it's what every combined culture, religion, government , etc... will choose. And they will choose anything and everything that threatens their power. The actual contents don't matter.

Don't be naive, it's not being blocked because it's "obscene" or "snuff". There are plenty of sites with _far_ worse than this video on them that aren't blocked.

Taniwha 8y ago

No, that's exactly why it's being blocked, just because there's worse stuff out there doesn't suddenly make this evil stuff acceptable

RobertRoberts 8y ago
It's being blocked for political reasons. Just like when the US went to war against Iraq, one argument was "Saddam is a dictator that kills his own people". But there are worse dictators before and after Saddam. You are using the same manipulative cherry-picked argument to justify censorship. Censorship is a weapon used by dictators, not free leaders.
- Taniwha 8y ago
  It's being blocked by private companies, because they think it's the right thing to do in context, and I suspect largely for business reasons, they don't want to be convicted for passing around the snuff video. Censorship is part of our law, it's right and proper for the NZ censor to declare the snuff video as obscene, that's his job according to law. We're a democracy, if we decide we don't need a censor we'll legislate him away. In the meantime I'm curious why you are so in favour of this video, are you a supporter of the terrorist and his goals?
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    Here's the _government_ of NZ arresting people for _not_ censoring the video, with a worse punishment than murder and rape: (fyi, all censoring has to be done via private companies, unless NZ has all government run internet and tv?) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/new-zealand-men-could-get-14-years-for-sharing-massacre-video/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/new-zealand-men-... I absolutely loath the video, it's revolting. But as I mentioned ealier, worse stuff has been online and still is. I think the problem is that many people don't want to really know what was on the video and be appalled by it without truly knowing. Do you know what was on it? It was sick and terrible. But, since I have seen the whole thing (I made myself) I can compare it with other videos. The last few years of ISIS videos of drownings, murders, pushing people off of roofs, mass shootings, etc... (only part of a few I saw, and what I saw was so terrible I turned it off) A _slew_ of videos that are 10 times more graphic, sick and violent have been shown on CNN, Fox News and elsewhere. So, if you believe this one video is worse than others, I would like to know which part is more horrific than people being burned alive in a cage? Yet, I didn't hear one single peep about censoring those videos, or anyone being arrested or jailed for sharing ISIS terrorist propaganda.
    - Taniwha 8y ago
      Yes the video is illegal, those people were arrested because they broke the law. I'm sorry for you that you watched it all the way through, that sounds like a sick compulsion, please get help
      - RobertRoberts 8y ago
        What were people so afraid of that if you saw this video you deserved to go to jail in some countries? Is it that bad? The ISIS videos of people being executed were magnitudes more gruesome than this, and they were on CNN/FOX news. Do you think everyone who watches the evening news has a sick compulsion as well?
- bacon_waffle 8y ago
  New Zealand has decided, democratically, that we want to have a censor who does this sort of work. What would you consider to be a reasonable criteria for the censor to block a video?
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    Every culture has it's own definitions. The problem is that the world's cultures are mixing online, and the lowest tolerable level will win out. So, it doesn't matter what I think, it's what every combined culture, religion, government , etc... will choose. And they will choose anything and everything that threatens their power. The actual contents don't matter.