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I’m wondering if the NZ government have a belief that maybe the shooter’s ability to livestream the shooting increased his desire to commit the shooting in the

by debt 8y ago

I’m wondering if the NZ government have a belief that maybe the shooter’s ability to livestream the shooting increased his desire to commit the shooting in the first place.

mindslight 8y ago
Alternatively, I feel like seeing the plain video without commentary would take away a lot of the glamor from these events. See the mood change of Black Mirror ep01 after he actually fucks the pig. (from a USian perspective) Instead, we let the media setup a vibrant tradeoff of emotional tourism versus steering away from direct confrontation. Just enough so that indulging can be written off as mourning rather than the goreporn it is.
- Pharmakon 8y ago
  I’m sorry that’s just naive and not at all borne out by history. When executions were a public spectacle (as in Tyburn) they were a huge party. People laughed and drank and cheered as people were hanged or drawn and quartered. I think you underestimate just how turned on a lot of people are by watching people suffer and die. We need to think very carefully before we empower people to engage in thst economy again.
  - mindslight 8y ago
    I kind of addressed that in my second paragraph (which maybe I hadn't gotten in before delay). I think we're already 80% down the slope of engaging in that economy. I agree with people's zeal w.r.t public executions, but isn't a key ingredient of the social validation is that it is a "justified" killing?
    - Pharmakon 8y ago
      That was theory, that the state (or monarch) had to show both their power over life and death, and that the public needed to see thst justice was done. We (the British) figured out that didn’t even remotely work back in 1783, and frankly I don’t think that we require a second run at it.
- tomjen3 8y ago
  From those who have watched it, apparently he does provide his own commentary, both occasionally correctly and through his choice of music.
  - mindslight 8y ago
    (I think you may have autocorrected from "directly") Is his narrative actually compelling though? Or does it just come off as misguided/pathetic/wrong/etc? By without commentary, I really mean unmediated by talking heads transmuting it into something to drive their own popularity. I haven't read much about this actual event, because I think every visit given to news articles just contributes to their incentives of creating a spectacle. I'm not exactly looking to engage in emotional tourism right now, but perhaps I'll have to put my theory to the test on myself.

by debt 8y ago

I’m wondering if the NZ government have a belief that maybe the shooter’s ability to livestream the shooting increased his desire to commit the shooting in the first place.

mindslight 8y ago

Alternatively, I feel like seeing the plain video without commentary would take away a lot of the glamor from these events. See the mood change of Black Mirror ep01 after he actually fucks the pig. (from a USian perspective) Instead, we let the media setup a vibrant tradeoff of emotional tourism versus steering away from direct confrontation. Just enough so that indulging can be written off as mourning rather than the goreporn it is.

Pharmakon 8y ago
I’m sorry that’s just naive and not at all borne out by history. When executions were a public spectacle (as in Tyburn) they were a huge party. People laughed and drank and cheered as people were hanged or drawn and quartered. I think you underestimate just how turned on a lot of people are by watching people suffer and die. We need to think very carefully before we empower people to engage in thst economy again.
- mindslight 8y ago
  I kind of addressed that in my second paragraph (which maybe I hadn't gotten in before delay). I think we're already 80% down the slope of engaging in that economy. I agree with people's zeal w.r.t public executions, but isn't a key ingredient of the social validation is that it is a "justified" killing?
  - Pharmakon 8y ago
    That was theory, that the state (or monarch) had to show both their power over life and death, and that the public needed to see thst justice was done. We (the British) figured out that didn’t even remotely work back in 1783, and frankly I don’t think that we require a second run at it.
tomjen3 8y ago
From those who have watched it, apparently he does provide his own commentary, both occasionally correctly and through his choice of music.
- mindslight 8y ago
  (I think you may have autocorrected from "directly") Is his narrative actually compelling though? Or does it just come off as misguided/pathetic/wrong/etc? By without commentary, I really mean unmediated by talking heads transmuting it into something to drive their own popularity. I haven't read much about this actual event, because I think every visit given to news articles just contributes to their incentives of creating a spectacle. I'm not exactly looking to engage in emotional tourism right now, but perhaps I'll have to put my theory to the test on myself.