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Just look at the havoc being reigned on some neighborhoods in Miami Beach during spring break. Specifically the low-scale, residential flamingo park neighborho

by jak92 8y ago

Just look at the havoc being reigned on some neighborhoods in Miami Beach during spring break. Specifically the low-scale, residential flamingo park neighborhood of south beach.

travbrack 8y ago
Can you elaborate?
- nemild 8y ago
  Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/09/travel/airbnb-miami-beach-war.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/09/travel/airbnb-miami-beach... > Airbnb and Miami Beach Are at War. Travelers Are Caught in the Crossfire. > The Florida city, like others around the country, is trying to control the home sharing market. Renters often find out their weekend home is illegal when they get a knock on the door.
  - jak92 8y ago
    Airbnb is legal in most of Miami Beach. However, there are pockets of residential areas where short term rentals are prohibited. Flamingo Park being one of them.
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mbostleman 8y ago
First, Miami Beach is a heavily tourist influenced market similar to where I live near Jackson Hole, WY. If you live or invest in a market like that you are doing so with full knowledge of the pros and cons of such an environment. The differences in your environment there don't start and stop with short term rentals. Second, whatever the problem is (I assume rowdy, drunken college students?), it's a human behavior problem, not a problem with a service that enables value exchange like Airbnb.
jseliger 8y ago
I would say that one should look at the hovoc that reigns in neighborhoods with draconian zoning that prevents sufficient supply from coming online to meet demand for housing and hotels. We have the technologies necessary to build housing demanded by humans; we just make deploying that tech illegal.
- jak92 8y ago
  There are hundreds of hotel units under construction in Miami Beach right now. I would certainly say that it's not a supply problem.
joseph-curwen 8y ago
Here is a story about Miami Beach: I moved there 9 years ago and have spent the last 8 years living on Ocean Drive in South Beach. When I first moved there the neighborhood was full of high-class tourists, a lot of Europeans. The beach was not extremely crowded, you had nice restaurants and upscale shops and the vibes you were getting were similar to what you would see in the Mediterranean (Spain / south France). Within 3 years of Airbnb expanding, the character of the neighborhood changed completely. By 2014, a lot of restaurants and shops had closed down, to be replaced by 5 dollar souvenir shops (surf style!), kebab and pizza places. Noise levels increased dramatically. Crime too. This kept getting worse and today I would describe the place as little more than a crime-ridden hood. The ghetto criminal element is numerous and ever present. The classy European tourists have left, never to return. Ocean Drive is barricaded by tons of police every weekend (soon to be every night). The beach itself is full of trash and drunken, noisy, unruly people. Spring Break (and memorial day weekend) used to be finite events. Now the same chaos is happening every night. Street racing, fights, urinating in public, condoms, dog and human feces on sidewalks, all of that and more under a lingering stench of weed smoke. If that's not testament to how Airbnb can ruin entire communities, I don't know what is. The locals are complaining [1], [2] but nothing seems to change except more money being thrown at police and local interests. [1] https://www.facebook.com/Residents-for-a-safe-Ocean-Drive-135827450383203 https://www.facebook.com/Residents-for-a-safe-Ocean-Drive-13... [2] https://www.facebook.com/SouthBeachSludgeReport/ https://www.facebook.com/SouthBeachSludgeReport/ [3] https://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-spring-breakers-attacking-man-on-south-beach-street-amid-crackdown/ https://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-spring-breakers-atta... Typical night in SOBE.
- jak92 8y ago
  > Here is a story about Miami Beach: > I moved there 9 years ago and have spent the last 8 years > living on Ocean Drive in South Beach. Hello neighbor! Interesting connection - I never linked the two together but it's certainly possible. The story of Miami Beach the last 5 years is so true and so sad.
- uxp100 8y ago
  > When I first moved there the neighborhood was full of high-class tourists, a lot of Europeans. ... By 2014, a lot of restaurants and shops had closed down, to be replaced by 5 dollar souvenir shops (surf style!), kebab and pizza places. ... The ghetto criminal element is numerous and ever present. Your idea is that AirBnb provided cheaper lodging that made South Beach open to people outside of the European tourists that the hotels were targeting?
Balgair 8y ago
In Australia, they have a similar situation and their response to it has been equally mixed. Australia's drinking age is 18, and as such, many high school students will celebrate the end of formal schooling with a week long party known as Schoolies. Surfer's Paradise and the Gold Coast saw >40k students in 2011, about 10% of the total number of graduates, and the event is gaining in popularity. Other locations also see a large influx of young adults reveling together one last time before life comes at them. Many of these beach towns have had a pull-and-tug relationship with the event and short-term rentals have always been a part of it. So, the issue is not AirBnB and it's effects. It's that young people tend to be inconsiderate. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309380/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309380/ https://www.schoolies.com/what-is-schoolies https://www.schoolies.com/what-is-schoolies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolies_week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolies_week

by jak92 8y ago

Just look at the havoc being reigned on some neighborhoods in Miami Beach during spring break. Specifically the low-scale, residential flamingo park neighborhood of south beach.

travbrack 8y ago

Can you elaborate?

nemild 8y ago
Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/09/travel/airbnb-miami-beach-war.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/09/travel/airbnb-miami-beach... > Airbnb and Miami Beach Are at War. Travelers Are Caught in the Crossfire. > The Florida city, like others around the country, is trying to control the home sharing market. Renters often find out their weekend home is illegal when they get a knock on the door.
- jak92 8y ago
  Airbnb is legal in most of Miami Beach. However, there are pockets of residential areas where short term rentals are prohibited. Flamingo Park being one of them.

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mbostleman 8y ago

First, Miami Beach is a heavily tourist influenced market similar to where I live near Jackson Hole, WY. If you live or invest in a market like that you are doing so with full knowledge of the pros and cons of such an environment. The differences in your environment there don't start and stop with short term rentals. Second, whatever the problem is (I assume rowdy, drunken college students?), it's a human behavior problem, not a problem with a service that enables value exchange like Airbnb.

jseliger 8y ago

I would say that one should look at the hovoc that reigns in neighborhoods with draconian zoning that prevents sufficient supply from coming online to meet demand for housing and hotels. We have the technologies necessary to build housing demanded by humans; we just make deploying that tech illegal.

jak92 8y ago
There are hundreds of hotel units under construction in Miami Beach right now. I would certainly say that it's not a supply problem.

joseph-curwen 8y ago

Here is a story about Miami Beach: I moved there 9 years ago and have spent the last 8 years living on Ocean Drive in South Beach. When I first moved there the neighborhood was full of high-class tourists, a lot of Europeans. The beach was not extremely crowded, you had nice restaurants and upscale shops and the vibes you were getting were similar to what you would see in the Mediterranean (Spain / south France). Within 3 years of Airbnb expanding, the character of the neighborhood changed completely. By 2014, a lot of restaurants and shops had closed down, to be replaced by 5 dollar souvenir shops (surf style!), kebab and pizza places. Noise levels increased dramatically. Crime too. This kept getting worse and today I would describe the place as little more than a crime-ridden hood. The ghetto criminal element is numerous and ever present. The classy European tourists have left, never to return. Ocean Drive is barricaded by tons of police every weekend (soon to be every night). The beach itself is full of trash and drunken, noisy, unruly people. Spring Break (and memorial day weekend) used to be finite events. Now the same chaos is happening every night. Street racing, fights, urinating in public, condoms, dog and human feces on sidewalks, all of that and more under a lingering stench of weed smoke. If that's not testament to how Airbnb can ruin entire communities, I don't know what is. The locals are complaining [1], [2] but nothing seems to change except more money being thrown at police and local interests. [1] https://www.facebook.com/Residents-for-a-safe-Ocean-Drive-135827450383203 https://www.facebook.com/Residents-for-a-safe-Ocean-Drive-13... [2] https://www.facebook.com/SouthBeachSludgeReport/ https://www.facebook.com/SouthBeachSludgeReport/ [3] https://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-spring-breakers-attacking-man-on-south-beach-street-amid-crackdown/ https://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-spring-breakers-atta... Typical night in SOBE.

jak92 8y ago
> Here is a story about Miami Beach: > I moved there 9 years ago and have spent the last 8 years > living on Ocean Drive in South Beach. Hello neighbor! Interesting connection - I never linked the two together but it's certainly possible. The story of Miami Beach the last 5 years is so true and so sad.
uxp100 8y ago
> When I first moved there the neighborhood was full of high-class tourists, a lot of Europeans. ... By 2014, a lot of restaurants and shops had closed down, to be replaced by 5 dollar souvenir shops (surf style!), kebab and pizza places. ... The ghetto criminal element is numerous and ever present. Your idea is that AirBnb provided cheaper lodging that made South Beach open to people outside of the European tourists that the hotels were targeting?

Balgair 8y ago

In Australia, they have a similar situation and their response to it has been equally mixed. Australia's drinking age is 18, and as such, many high school students will celebrate the end of formal schooling with a week long party known as Schoolies. Surfer's Paradise and the Gold Coast saw >40k students in 2011, about 10% of the total number of graduates, and the event is gaining in popularity. Other locations also see a large influx of young adults reveling together one last time before life comes at them. Many of these beach towns have had a pull-and-tug relationship with the event and short-term rentals have always been a part of it. So, the issue is not AirBnB and it's effects. It's that young people tend to be inconsiderate. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309380/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309380/ https://www.schoolies.com/what-is-schoolies https://www.schoolies.com/what-is-schoolies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolies_week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolies_week