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Agree with all of these. But compared to Macs you get a couple of things: * native and fully supported MS Office * ecosystem of professional windows apps (atm

Agree with all of these. But compared to Macs you get a couple of things: * native and fully supported MS Office * ecosystem of professional windows apps (atm. I need MS SQL Management Studio as an example) * much much better connectivity on laptops. bye bye dongle land. * a wide variety of hardware options to choose from, including ones with great keyboards. even the latest Thinkpads have vastly superior keyboards compared to 2016+ MBP. * gaming At the end for me personally, the tradeoff was worth it. I switched last summer and by now I'm not missing much. Same with iPhone - switched to an S10e last week and I'm already used to it. There's a couple of things still stuck in Apple land, such as our photo share - not yet sure what I'll do about that. I was an Apple customer for 13 years before - at some point I had to cut it off, it made me too angry.

hsk823 8y ago
Outside of Excel and random macros that no one uses anymore, Office has effectively reached parity for most users. Again many developers are on a non MS stack so access to MSSQL tools is for the edge case of web developers who need to develop for .NET / MSSQL backends Have you seen recent Windows machines? Yes you can find a machine that meets your port needs but many like the Surface Pro are also in dongle hell. Same idea, sure you have an entire universe of manufacturers to choose from, you have many more options and choices to run Windows on. Good luck to you when Windows / Android start to inevitably start to go buggy after a year or two and rebuilding OSes all the time.
CoolGuySteve 8y ago
Having worked for companies that used both, I actually vastly prefer G-suite to Office. Office seems to have stagnated over the years in the corporate environment. The two main issues are 1) email search is slow and returns weird results and 2) shared document editing is non-existent so people email everything to each other, things go out of date, no version control, etc. I’m much happier now using Linux with G-suite than I was using Windows and Office just because the rest of the developer experience in Linux is so smooth. In finance, there’s also something to be said for the culture of a company where people know to use numerical software like R or Pandas instead of leaning on Excel. Like over the years I’ve noticed that the kind of person that insists on sending me Excel spreadsheets is markedly less conscientious.
- ABCLAW 8y ago
  Not to excuse outlook for its failures, but G-suite email searching also breaks once you hit a certain inbox size. As for shared document editing, most places develop intra-office file system-level habits that avoid the problem, or use specific hosting sites to co-ordinate multiple teams on a platform agnostic basis. On a per-document basis, Word's review, commenting and blacklining features are worlds better than the G-suite equivalents.
- smhenderson 8y ago
  I'm not a huge fan and managing it is a bit of a pain but if you use Sharepoint you can configure it to allow simultaneous document editing. I believe this was introduced in Sharepoint 2010.
  - m_mueller 8y ago
    Office 365 with onedrive is much nicer than SharePoint IMO.
  - c256 8y ago
    It exists, but it’s been a pretty terrible experience every time I’ve tried it (roughly once every 12-15 months since ~2011). GSuite has some occasional issues arising from connectivity issues, but these also happen to Office365, and are at least as bad (often worse) than in Google Docs and Sheets (I almost never use PowerPoint or Slides, so maybe things are different there.)
    - smhenderson 8y ago
      I hear you. Concurrent editing is not enabled where I work because the headaches aren’t worth it. I honestly don’t have enough experience with GSuite to make a good comparison, just mentioned Sharepoint because we just recently reopened the conversation about concurrent editing. Once again we’re passing for now!
- ghaff 8y ago
  I think it helps that G-suite is mostly focused on a 90% set of features that most people need most of the time. As a result, you can't do absolutely everything in G-suite (and unimplemented features will be a showstopper for some types of users) but the result is a very streamlined and smooth experience for most of us. I still have to open up Office now and then but it's pretty rare these days--especially given that G-suite is now the standard where I work.
magduf 8y ago
>a wide variety of hardware options to choose from, including ones with great keyboards. Yeah, keyboards on laptops these days are horrendously bad, especially on Macs. The latest Thinkpad ones aren't as great as the ones of yore, but they're among the best of new laptops. Personally, I have a Dell Latitude E6440, which I'm pretty sure is the last year of that line of laptops before they switched over to that awful island-style keyboard. I honestly don't know what to upgrade to after this because everything went to island keys after this point.

hsk823 8y ago

Outside of Excel and random macros that no one uses anymore, Office has effectively reached parity for most users. Again many developers are on a non MS stack so access to MSSQL tools is for the edge case of web developers who need to develop for .NET / MSSQL backends Have you seen recent Windows machines? Yes you can find a machine that meets your port needs but many like the Surface Pro are also in dongle hell. Same idea, sure you have an entire universe of manufacturers to choose from, you have many more options and choices to run Windows on. Good luck to you when Windows / Android start to inevitably start to go buggy after a year or two and rebuilding OSes all the time.

CoolGuySteve 8y ago

Having worked for companies that used both, I actually vastly prefer G-suite to Office. Office seems to have stagnated over the years in the corporate environment. The two main issues are 1) email search is slow and returns weird results and 2) shared document editing is non-existent so people email everything to each other, things go out of date, no version control, etc. I’m much happier now using Linux with G-suite than I was using Windows and Office just because the rest of the developer experience in Linux is so smooth. In finance, there’s also something to be said for the culture of a company where people know to use numerical software like R or Pandas instead of leaning on Excel. Like over the years I’ve noticed that the kind of person that insists on sending me Excel spreadsheets is markedly less conscientious.

ABCLAW 8y ago
Not to excuse outlook for its failures, but G-suite email searching also breaks once you hit a certain inbox size. As for shared document editing, most places develop intra-office file system-level habits that avoid the problem, or use specific hosting sites to co-ordinate multiple teams on a platform agnostic basis. On a per-document basis, Word's review, commenting and blacklining features are worlds better than the G-suite equivalents.
smhenderson 8y ago
I'm not a huge fan and managing it is a bit of a pain but if you use Sharepoint you can configure it to allow simultaneous document editing. I believe this was introduced in Sharepoint 2010.
- m_mueller 8y ago
  Office 365 with onedrive is much nicer than SharePoint IMO.
- c256 8y ago
  It exists, but it’s been a pretty terrible experience every time I’ve tried it (roughly once every 12-15 months since ~2011). GSuite has some occasional issues arising from connectivity issues, but these also happen to Office365, and are at least as bad (often worse) than in Google Docs and Sheets (I almost never use PowerPoint or Slides, so maybe things are different there.)
  - smhenderson 8y ago
    I hear you. Concurrent editing is not enabled where I work because the headaches aren’t worth it. I honestly don’t have enough experience with GSuite to make a good comparison, just mentioned Sharepoint because we just recently reopened the conversation about concurrent editing. Once again we’re passing for now!
ghaff 8y ago
I think it helps that G-suite is mostly focused on a 90% set of features that most people need most of the time. As a result, you can't do absolutely everything in G-suite (and unimplemented features will be a showstopper for some types of users) but the result is a very streamlined and smooth experience for most of us. I still have to open up Office now and then but it's pretty rare these days--especially given that G-suite is now the standard where I work.

magduf 8y ago

>a wide variety of hardware options to choose from, including ones with great keyboards. Yeah, keyboards on laptops these days are horrendously bad, especially on Macs. The latest Thinkpad ones aren't as great as the ones of yore, but they're among the best of new laptops. Personally, I have a Dell Latitude E6440, which I'm pretty sure is the last year of that line of laptops before they switched over to that awful island-style keyboard. I honestly don't know what to upgrade to after this because everything went to island keys after this point.