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Are LLVM releases always timed to align with Xcode releases these days? I guess most people expect new Xcode and iOS/Mac SDKs on Monday.

by 0x0 8y ago

AlexeyBrin 8y ago
Not really, Clang and LLVM from Apple (the version that comes with Xcode) is usually behind the official LLVM release and it is also slightly modified/patched.
pavlov 8y ago
Really? What's happening on Monday? Seems like unusual timing for SDK updates, a few months early of the usual WWDC releases...
- rudedogg 8y ago
  It'll just be a point/minor release. WWDC is where major releases are usually announced (iOS 13 and macOS 10.15 for the coming 2019 WWDC).
wyldfire 8y ago
I think it's ~6 month cycles so it might end up lining up with an annual event for a while. But soon enough they'll probably be out of phase.
coldtea 8y ago
>I guess most people expect new Xcode and iOS/Mac SDKs on Monday. Most people don't expect them then, and they'd be wrong if they do. Apple just has one of the regular spring-time announcements for hardware and services products. WWDC, when the new Xcode and iOS/Mac SDKs will be announced (but usually not released to non-devs until Fall), is, and has always been, in the summer (June). (And there's another hardware/services announcement in Fall usually).
- 0x0 8y ago
  It's expected that iOS 12.2 is coming with Swift5, and ABI stability for the first time, as well as os-bundled libswift for the first time. Sounds like a semi major sdk update to me.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    Hmm, the minor update with new Swing is indeed a good point. Not the usual way it happens though. Usually those things came at WWDC.
Someone 8y ago
It wouldn’t surprise me if Monday were television series, only. Alternatively, it’s that plus “one more thing”, where that thing is big. I’m thinking that because the 70% faster iPad and the 100% faster iMac apparently didn't make the cut for Monday.

Are LLVM releases always timed to align with Xcode releases these days? I guess most people expect new Xcode and iOS/Mac SDKs on Monday.

by 0x0 8y ago

Are LLVM releases always timed to align with Xcode releases these days? I guess most people expect new Xcode and iOS/Mac SDKs on Monday.

AlexeyBrin 8y ago

Not really, Clang and LLVM from Apple (the version that comes with Xcode) is usually behind the official LLVM release and it is also slightly modified/patched.

pavlov 8y ago

Really? What's happening on Monday? Seems like unusual timing for SDK updates, a few months early of the usual WWDC releases...

rudedogg 8y ago
It'll just be a point/minor release. WWDC is where major releases are usually announced (iOS 13 and macOS 10.15 for the coming 2019 WWDC).

wyldfire 8y ago

I think it's ~6 month cycles so it might end up lining up with an annual event for a while. But soon enough they'll probably be out of phase.

coldtea 8y ago

>I guess most people expect new Xcode and iOS/Mac SDKs on Monday. Most people don't expect them then, and they'd be wrong if they do. Apple just has one of the regular spring-time announcements for hardware and services products. WWDC, when the new Xcode and iOS/Mac SDKs will be announced (but usually not released to non-devs until Fall), is, and has always been, in the summer (June). (And there's another hardware/services announcement in Fall usually).

0x0 8y ago
It's expected that iOS 12.2 is coming with Swift5, and ABI stability for the first time, as well as os-bundled libswift for the first time. Sounds like a semi major sdk update to me.
- coldtea 8y ago
  Hmm, the minor update with new Swing is indeed a good point. Not the usual way it happens though. Usually those things came at WWDC.

Someone 8y ago

It wouldn’t surprise me if Monday were television series, only. Alternatively, it’s that plus “one more thing”, where that thing is big. I’m thinking that because the 70% faster iPad and the 100% faster iMac apparently didn't make the cut for Monday.