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You have pretty much all of the pro-Apple talking points covered in your various posts in this discussion. I urge you not to simply accept them because you read

by ergo98 16y ago

You have pretty much all of the pro-Apple talking points covered in your various posts in this discussion. I urge you not to simply accept them because you read them elsewhere, however, because they're largely baseless.

semanticist 16y ago
That's a slightly better attempt at dismissing what I've said than going 'stupid Apple fanboi', but it amounts to the same thing. Do you honestly think the idea that there will be no single 'winner' or 'loser' in the smartphone market is baseless? What brings you to this conclusion? If you're thinking in terms of the desktop PC market, where Windows is the clear winner, that's an anomaly and I don't think you're going to see it repeated in any consumer device market. But if you've sound reasoning for why anything I've said is incorrect, please let me know. I'm not a blind Apple fanboi, and I don't think that Apple's devices are automatically the best choice. (After an increasingly frustrating experience with my iPhone, I'm living with it only long enough for Nokia to start releasing MeeGo devices.)
- ergo98 16y ago
  Hey I'm not trying to insult you. I'm being serious.
  - semanticist 16y ago
    I don't read any of those sites, except occasionally when linked from HN. The closest I come is sometimes catching up on macrumors when I'm bored. What you're seeing in my comments is not mindless repetition of someone else's talking point, it's my own opinion derived from my experience with both Apple and the mobile phone industry. That aside, I'm not sure I've really said anything 'pro-Apple' at all. What I said was that this isn't anything new and that Apple's behaviour makes sense given their business model. I've also dismissed the idea that Apple ever had a majority of the market (surely that would be ANTI-Apple, to so much as imply that other people might also make decent phones!) and tried to argue against mindless polarisation. If you want to talk about something that's influenced by American politics, talk about people who believe that everything is split down into distinct 'winners' and 'losers' with no subtlety at all. From my limited exposure to American politics (The Daily Show, our reporting of your news, and American friends (mostly left-wing) and family (mostly right-wing)) that 'us or them' seems to be perhaps the defining feature of American politics right now. But now I'm really digressing. [Edit: my comment might look a little random now. Originally the comment I was replying to had references to pro-Mac bloggers and implied that I was simply repeating their ideas in an 'echo chamber' effect, and compared it to political discourse being led the same way.]
Locke1689 16y ago
Everyone should pay attention because this is an almost textbook case of a disguised "begging the question." We shouldn't listen to the points the OP made because he read them elsewhere and they are largely baseless. Why are they largely baseless? Because he read them elsewhere and they are largely baseless. The conclusion is assumed in the argument itself therefore the "argument" really isn't an argument at all.
- ergo98 16y ago
  Not really. The points the OP makes are the same points that are repeated again on every god damn story relating to Android or Apple, They aren't baseless, and probably had merit the first hundred thousand times they were argued over, however at this point they're just boring. Every single discussion on global warming or left versus right or socialized health care is overwhelmingly dominated by the same rote repetition, and it's unfortunate when that tactic infects technology discussions. It's just noise. It's people trying to toss in the standard grenades to attempt to get some sort of points for their team. Talking point "debates" could be had by robots. They're just noise on the web.

by ergo98 16y ago

semanticist 16y ago

That's a slightly better attempt at dismissing what I've said than going 'stupid Apple fanboi', but it amounts to the same thing. Do you honestly think the idea that there will be no single 'winner' or 'loser' in the smartphone market is baseless? What brings you to this conclusion? If you're thinking in terms of the desktop PC market, where Windows is the clear winner, that's an anomaly and I don't think you're going to see it repeated in any consumer device market. But if you've sound reasoning for why anything I've said is incorrect, please let me know. I'm not a blind Apple fanboi, and I don't think that Apple's devices are automatically the best choice. (After an increasingly frustrating experience with my iPhone, I'm living with it only long enough for Nokia to start releasing MeeGo devices.)

ergo98 16y ago
Hey I'm not trying to insult you. I'm being serious.
- semanticist 16y ago
  I don't read any of those sites, except occasionally when linked from HN. The closest I come is sometimes catching up on macrumors when I'm bored. What you're seeing in my comments is not mindless repetition of someone else's talking point, it's my own opinion derived from my experience with both Apple and the mobile phone industry. That aside, I'm not sure I've really said anything 'pro-Apple' at all. What I said was that this isn't anything new and that Apple's behaviour makes sense given their business model. I've also dismissed the idea that Apple ever had a majority of the market (surely that would be ANTI-Apple, to so much as imply that other people might also make decent phones!) and tried to argue against mindless polarisation. If you want to talk about something that's influenced by American politics, talk about people who believe that everything is split down into distinct 'winners' and 'losers' with no subtlety at all. From my limited exposure to American politics (The Daily Show, our reporting of your news, and American friends (mostly left-wing) and family (mostly right-wing)) that 'us or them' seems to be perhaps the defining feature of American politics right now. But now I'm really digressing. [Edit: my comment might look a little random now. Originally the comment I was replying to had references to pro-Mac bloggers and implied that I was simply repeating their ideas in an 'echo chamber' effect, and compared it to political discourse being led the same way.]

Locke1689 16y ago

Everyone should pay attention because this is an almost textbook case of a disguised "begging the question." We shouldn't listen to the points the OP made because he read them elsewhere and they are largely baseless. Why are they largely baseless? Because he read them elsewhere and they are largely baseless. The conclusion is assumed in the argument itself therefore the "argument" really isn't an argument at all.

ergo98 16y ago
Not really. The points the OP makes are the same points that are repeated again on every god damn story relating to Android or Apple, They aren't baseless, and probably had merit the first hundred thousand times they were argued over, however at this point they're just boring. Every single discussion on global warming or left versus right or socialized health care is overwhelmingly dominated by the same rote repetition, and it's unfortunate when that tactic infects technology discussions. It's just noise. It's people trying to toss in the standard grenades to attempt to get some sort of points for their team. Talking point "debates" could be had by robots. They're just noise on the web.