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Basically if we don't control immigration, the developed world will look like the developing world, and then there will be no more developed world to help out.

Basically if we don't control immigration, the developed world will look like the developing world, and then there will be no more developed world to help out. I think for some this is the intended endgame.

mcv 8y ago
There's no evidence of this. Uncontrolled immigration is what made America great. If there's a problem it causes, it's that it creates a brain drain from the developing world to the developed world; it's often the more talented and enterprising people who leave (though that varies wildly among specific emigrating groups).
- growlist 8y ago
  > Uncontrolled immigration is what made America great A massive claim. Care to support it? As far as I was aware, much of America's success is a simple accident of history, notably: having a massive virtually unoccupied continent with enormous unexploited natural resources, a single unified market with single currency, having no land border with a hostile foreign entity capable of posing a genuine threat, and taking advantage of (or as some argue deliberately creating the circumstances for) the rest of the world being smashed by two world wars.
  - mcv 8y ago
    Yeah, but without immigration during the 19th and early 20th century, the US wouldn't have anyone to work on those resources and the continent would still be virtually unoccupied. The US would have been as empty as Siberia.
    - growlist 8y ago
      So then you admit that immigration was just one part of the puzzle? Or are you asserting that you could take those same immigrants, transplant them anywhere in the world, and have the same outcome?
      - mcv 8y ago
        I'm pointing out that immigration helped rather than hurt the US. The claim that it makes countries poor or underdeveloped is wrong.
        growlist 8y ago
        Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
        mcv 8y ago
        Are you saying you have no evidence for your claim, but there's a chance it's true anyway? Sure, it could be. But if it happens, it's more likely a coincidence caused by other factors.
- captainredbeard 8y ago
  > There's no evidence of this There's a lot of evidence of this. Look at crime rates in Germany and Sweden before and after their mass immigration import.

mcv 8y ago

There's no evidence of this. Uncontrolled immigration is what made America great. If there's a problem it causes, it's that it creates a brain drain from the developing world to the developed world; it's often the more talented and enterprising people who leave (though that varies wildly among specific emigrating groups).

growlist 8y ago
> Uncontrolled immigration is what made America great A massive claim. Care to support it? As far as I was aware, much of America's success is a simple accident of history, notably: having a massive virtually unoccupied continent with enormous unexploited natural resources, a single unified market with single currency, having no land border with a hostile foreign entity capable of posing a genuine threat, and taking advantage of (or as some argue deliberately creating the circumstances for) the rest of the world being smashed by two world wars.
- mcv 8y ago
  Yeah, but without immigration during the 19th and early 20th century, the US wouldn't have anyone to work on those resources and the continent would still be virtually unoccupied. The US would have been as empty as Siberia.
  - growlist 8y ago
    So then you admit that immigration was just one part of the puzzle? Or are you asserting that you could take those same immigrants, transplant them anywhere in the world, and have the same outcome?
    - mcv 8y ago
      I'm pointing out that immigration helped rather than hurt the US. The claim that it makes countries poor or underdeveloped is wrong.
      - growlist 8y ago
        Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
        mcv 8y ago
        Are you saying you have no evidence for your claim, but there's a chance it's true anyway? Sure, it could be. But if it happens, it's more likely a coincidence caused by other factors.
captainredbeard 8y ago
> There's no evidence of this There's a lot of evidence of this. Look at crime rates in Germany and Sweden before and after their mass immigration import.