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The greatest risk to free society in my opinion is the overwhelming response of the Outrage Army, and the accompanying chilling effects on free speech and civil

by Aloha 8y ago

The greatest risk to free society in my opinion is the overwhelming response of the Outrage Army, and the accompanying chilling effects on free speech and civility. Consider for a moment that the rise of the right wing political movements are in my opinion, an irrational response to the growth of tribalism and outrage culture on the left.

inertiatic 8y ago
In Europe the culture you're describing is pretty much non-existent, yet far-right parties are on the rise everywhere. I don't think there's a causal relationship, perhaps it exacerbates the issue yes, but it's not the cause of it. I think far-right rhetoric is just too easy to digest, a clear group of enemies is identified for you (just like it is for the people on the left you described). And digging deeper and analyzing an increasingly complex socioeconomical situation, where things interconnect on a global level, is becoming harder and harder, so the inherent tribalism in us drives us to adopt those easy answers.
- nzjrs 8y ago
  I've noticed the Europe where I am living for a long time successfully import outrage culture from the USA. The internet has truly brought us closer together - and not in positive ways.
- mastazi 8y ago
  > In Europe Where? That type of culture definitely exists in at least some places (e.g. Italy which is where I grew up, I've seen examples in UK too).
- rdtsc 8y ago
  > far-right parties are on the rise everywhere. Wonder what is the cause then. The economy is stagnant and people are reaching for the extremes?
- growlist 8y ago
  > In Europe the culture you're describing is pretty much non-existent It's all over the media in the UK
vkou 8y ago
What about the tribalism and outrage culture on the right, that various civil rights movements has been fighting for decades, now? The right's been outraged over all sorts of things, most of which having no effect on it (Gay rights, for one - the amount of outrage that people opposed to them have voice over the years is staggering), has engaged in decades of tone policing, and is incredibly tribal. Does your theory explain why having to put up with decades of this sort of thing hasn't galvanized a Trump-of-the-left into power?
- mirimir 8y ago
  I don't like framing it as "Trump-of-the-left". I also hate the "right-wing" vs "left-wing" dichotomy. Because it jambs many dimensions into one. But whatever. There have been a few shots at electing candidates who promised to address various sorts of "left-wing" concerns. Most recently, in their own ways, Hillary Clinton (feminism) and Bernie Sanders (humanism). And Barach Obama (anti-racism). Back in the day, there were Eugene McCarthy (pacifism) and Jessie Jackson (anti-racism). Even Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. Although Clinton was a right-wing Democratic con, in my opinion. But in my cynical moments, I suspect the same of Barach Obama. Anyway, there's really nothing unique about Trump, in this regard.
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by Aloha 8y ago

inertiatic 8y ago

In Europe the culture you're describing is pretty much non-existent, yet far-right parties are on the rise everywhere. I don't think there's a causal relationship, perhaps it exacerbates the issue yes, but it's not the cause of it. I think far-right rhetoric is just too easy to digest, a clear group of enemies is identified for you (just like it is for the people on the left you described). And digging deeper and analyzing an increasingly complex socioeconomical situation, where things interconnect on a global level, is becoming harder and harder, so the inherent tribalism in us drives us to adopt those easy answers.

nzjrs 8y ago
I've noticed the Europe where I am living for a long time successfully import outrage culture from the USA. The internet has truly brought us closer together - and not in positive ways.
mastazi 8y ago
> In Europe Where? That type of culture definitely exists in at least some places (e.g. Italy which is where I grew up, I've seen examples in UK too).
rdtsc 8y ago
> far-right parties are on the rise everywhere. Wonder what is the cause then. The economy is stagnant and people are reaching for the extremes?
growlist 8y ago
> In Europe the culture you're describing is pretty much non-existent It's all over the media in the UK

vkou 8y ago

What about the tribalism and outrage culture on the right, that various civil rights movements has been fighting for decades, now? The right's been outraged over all sorts of things, most of which having no effect on it (Gay rights, for one - the amount of outrage that people opposed to them have voice over the years is staggering), has engaged in decades of tone policing, and is incredibly tribal. Does your theory explain why having to put up with decades of this sort of thing hasn't galvanized a Trump-of-the-left into power?

mirimir 8y ago
I don't like framing it as "Trump-of-the-left". I also hate the "right-wing" vs "left-wing" dichotomy. Because it jambs many dimensions into one. But whatever. There have been a few shots at electing candidates who promised to address various sorts of "left-wing" concerns. Most recently, in their own ways, Hillary Clinton (feminism) and Bernie Sanders (humanism). And Barach Obama (anti-racism). Back in the day, there were Eugene McCarthy (pacifism) and Jessie Jackson (anti-racism). Even Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. Although Clinton was a right-wing Democratic con, in my opinion. But in my cynical moments, I suspect the same of Barach Obama. Anyway, there's really nothing unique about Trump, in this regard.
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