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I'd ask everyone who came to this article with the assumption that someone would object to or get offended by this finding, to actually observe if anyone does.

Swizec 8y ago
Right above you, someone getting offended that there aren’t enough trans people in the study. I thought that was an interesting coincidence. https://pasteboard.co/I6fhTWy.jpg https://pasteboard.co/I6fhTWy.jpg
- tomlock 8y ago
  Seems like a reasonable comment to me, and not an objection to the finding.
  - apta 8y ago
    Biology (i.e. XX or XY or other less common variants) doesn't care about what someone thinks they are.
    - tomlock 8y ago
      Ah, so you agree that gender isn't binary.
      - collyw 8y ago
        stop using statistical anomalies to make your point
      - apta 8y ago
        I'm talking about biological sex (which implies gender, there isn't anything 'gender' in biology). The vast majority of cases you see today with people claiming to be the sex they're not are psychological, not physical. They're men with XY chromosomes wanting to be women, or the opposite, women with XX chromosomes wanting to be men. The other cases (e.g. XXY and XYY) are very small in comparison.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        > I'm talking about biological sex (which implies gender, No, it doesn't. Gender (which is distinct from both sex and gender identity, though there is an increasingly popular modern view that gender should be ascribed based on gender identity) is a socially ascribed trait, and different societies have recognized different numbers of genders and used different methods of ascribing them. > The vast majority of cases you see today with people claiming to be the sex they're not are psychological, not physical. The idea that there is such a thing as “psychological, not physical” is mystical woo that has no place in fact-based discussion, and divergences between gender identity and gender ascribed based on sex determined by chromosome counting has an observed correlation with other physical divergences from typical traits for the assigned sex.
        apta 8y ago
        The facts are that if your chromosomes are XX you're female, and XY you're male. This directly affects things like strength, size of organs, behavior, and more. Anything else is just mental issues. There are inherent differences between men and women whether people want to admit it or not, biology doesn't care about someones feelings
        tomlock 8y ago
        That simplistic view is not the consensus of modern biologists.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        > The facts are that if you're chromosomes are XX you're female, and XY you're male. The facts are that if you have the sex-determining-region Y (SRY) gene (which usually comes on the Y chromosome, but may be missing or defective, or may be on the X chromosome because genes do funny things), you are most likely biologically more-male-than-not and if you don't you probably are more-female-than-not. But even SRY-or-not isn't enough: XX male syndrome, which normally occurs because of an unusual recombination event where a copy of SRY ends up on an X chromosome, can also happen without a copy of SRY, and XY females can exist with SRY in complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (largely, because of variations in genes responsible for androgen receptors, which are located on the X chromosome.) The idea that biological sex is binary and corresponds to XY vs. XX is simply false; there's a lot more than “what shape are your sex chromosomes” involved.
    - klyrs 8y ago
      Biology very well might care if there's a preponderance of estrogen or testosterone in one's bloodstream, however.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      There's a considerable evidence that trans identity is correlsted with variations in physical sex-related traits at a more specific level than counting the number of X and/or Y chromosomes (which themselves aren't sex related traits, just things which contribute to the development of such traits in ways mediated by physical environmental factors.)
- boomlinde 8y ago
  That account has a long history of obvious concern trolling.

Swizec 8y ago

Right above you, someone getting offended that there aren’t enough trans people in the study. I thought that was an interesting coincidence. https://pasteboard.co/I6fhTWy.jpg https://pasteboard.co/I6fhTWy.jpg

tomlock 8y ago
Seems like a reasonable comment to me, and not an objection to the finding.
- apta 8y ago
  Biology (i.e. XX or XY or other less common variants) doesn't care about what someone thinks they are.
  - tomlock 8y ago
    Ah, so you agree that gender isn't binary.
    - collyw 8y ago
      stop using statistical anomalies to make your point
    - apta 8y ago
      I'm talking about biological sex (which implies gender, there isn't anything 'gender' in biology). The vast majority of cases you see today with people claiming to be the sex they're not are psychological, not physical. They're men with XY chromosomes wanting to be women, or the opposite, women with XX chromosomes wanting to be men. The other cases (e.g. XXY and XYY) are very small in comparison.
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
        > I'm talking about biological sex (which implies gender, No, it doesn't. Gender (which is distinct from both sex and gender identity, though there is an increasingly popular modern view that gender should be ascribed based on gender identity) is a socially ascribed trait, and different societies have recognized different numbers of genders and used different methods of ascribing them. > The vast majority of cases you see today with people claiming to be the sex they're not are psychological, not physical. The idea that there is such a thing as “psychological, not physical” is mystical woo that has no place in fact-based discussion, and divergences between gender identity and gender ascribed based on sex determined by chromosome counting has an observed correlation with other physical divergences from typical traits for the assigned sex.
        apta 8y ago
        The facts are that if your chromosomes are XX you're female, and XY you're male. This directly affects things like strength, size of organs, behavior, and more. Anything else is just mental issues. There are inherent differences between men and women whether people want to admit it or not, biology doesn't care about someones feelings
        tomlock 8y ago
        That simplistic view is not the consensus of modern biologists.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        > The facts are that if you're chromosomes are XX you're female, and XY you're male. The facts are that if you have the sex-determining-region Y (SRY) gene (which usually comes on the Y chromosome, but may be missing or defective, or may be on the X chromosome because genes do funny things), you are most likely biologically more-male-than-not and if you don't you probably are more-female-than-not. But even SRY-or-not isn't enough: XX male syndrome, which normally occurs because of an unusual recombination event where a copy of SRY ends up on an X chromosome, can also happen without a copy of SRY, and XY females can exist with SRY in complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (largely, because of variations in genes responsible for androgen receptors, which are located on the X chromosome.) The idea that biological sex is binary and corresponds to XY vs. XX is simply false; there's a lot more than “what shape are your sex chromosomes” involved.
  - klyrs 8y ago
    Biology very well might care if there's a preponderance of estrogen or testosterone in one's bloodstream, however.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    There's a considerable evidence that trans identity is correlsted with variations in physical sex-related traits at a more specific level than counting the number of X and/or Y chromosomes (which themselves aren't sex related traits, just things which contribute to the development of such traits in ways mediated by physical environmental factors.)
boomlinde 8y ago
That account has a long history of obvious concern trolling.