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I'll admit I don't know the first thing about escalator repair but I'm confident that a 4 year apprenticeship is absurd. Perhaps that's the real problem. The ru

by asaph 8y ago

I'll admit I don't know the first thing about escalator repair but I'm confident that a 4 year apprenticeship is absurd. Perhaps that's the real problem. The rules should be amended such that you can get an escalator repair license in 60 days. Problem solved.

dbcurtis 8y ago
> I don't know the first thing about escalator repair I agree with at least that much of what you said. It is near or at the top of OSHA's list of most dangerous construction trades. Elevators and escalators have extreme safety requirements for carrying passengers. I have been in enough elevator control rooms with qualified mechanics to be able to assure you that a 60-day wonder would be a very dangerous actor to let loose. After four years, I would not send a guy out on a job alone unless it was pretty simple. Sending an elevator mechanic with 60 days of training out to work by himself is a death sentence for him, if you are lucky. For the passengers, if you are less lucky.
- itronitron 8y ago
  Are there any building management firms that have full time mechanics? Given that escalators and elevators are transporting people it seems like it would be easy to justify having someone directly responsible with its operation (like a tram driver).
  - dbcurtis 8y ago
    Well, the way it works in practice is that most buildings have a multi-year service agreement with either the service arm of a major manufacturer, or a third-party maintenance firm. A really large property complex would probably have a mechanic who essentially is full time at that complex. But as a practical matter, you need access to spare parts, drawings, etc, so it is hard to be a one-man show. Because of parts access and licensing, I think it would be impractical for most commercial landlords to keep a mechanic on staff. Usually for any building there is a primary mechanic who is assigned to that site, so that he has familiarity with the quirks of the system, relationships with the landlord's staff, etc. Of course mechanics in the same office cover for and assist each other.
protomyth 8y ago
The apprenticeship isn’t really the problem, as that’s pretty common because a newbie can really screw things up including causing deaths. The problem is the basic training. It costs a fair amount of money to setup the basic training facility and to keep it running.
internet_user 8y ago
Skip college, do a 4 year apprenticeship instead - is that really sound?
- dbcurtis 8y ago
  That depends on the person, doesn't it? I have a nephew that has had issues with ADD. He is an intelligent young man, but not cut out for the kind of butt-in-seat stamina that it takes to get a college degree. He is currently almost done with a commercial electrician apprenticeship, and has finally hit his stride. He is doing well in his job, and acing all the licensing exams. He also has the kind of personality that cultivates good customer relationships, which makes me think that in a few years he could easily set up his own shop. Not everybody is well-served by college.
- _AzMoo 8y ago
  At least you get paid in an apprenticeship.
  - cf498 8y ago
    Do it right and you can get payed in college too. In Germany you have cooperative study programs for fields that are in high demand (like CS). Your degree takes 2 semesters longer in which you work at a company who pays you from start to finish of your study. Rates are similar to early apprenticeships if i am not mistaken. Also no strings attached, you can tell your company to screw itself after you finished your degree. Not finding enough people is a real issue in some fields.
  - speedplane 8y ago
    Every technical summer internship I worked at I got paid, roughly at the same rate as a junior engineer entering from college.
ransom1538 8y ago
"The rules should be amended such that you can get an escalator repair license in 60 days." There are real risks fucking up an elevator. https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/27/china/chinese-mother-killed-escalator/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/27/china/chinese-mother-killed-e...
- asaph 8y ago
  Why was there only 1 flimsy panel between the top of the escalator and a deadly downward plunge? Why aren't there any safety layers in between? It doesn't take an expert to know that's poor (even negligent) engineering. Perhaps if escalators were better made, they wouldn't be so deadly and require years long apprenticeships for maintenance workers to not endanger lives.
ajmurmann 8y ago
> I'll admit I don't know the first thing about escalator repair > The rules should be amended such that you can get an escalator repair license in 60 days. Are you serious? These two statements of yours are only separated by a tiny sentence and obviously don't go well together.

by asaph 8y ago

dbcurtis 8y ago

> I don't know the first thing about escalator repair I agree with at least that much of what you said. It is near or at the top of OSHA's list of most dangerous construction trades. Elevators and escalators have extreme safety requirements for carrying passengers. I have been in enough elevator control rooms with qualified mechanics to be able to assure you that a 60-day wonder would be a very dangerous actor to let loose. After four years, I would not send a guy out on a job alone unless it was pretty simple. Sending an elevator mechanic with 60 days of training out to work by himself is a death sentence for him, if you are lucky. For the passengers, if you are less lucky.

itronitron 8y ago
Are there any building management firms that have full time mechanics? Given that escalators and elevators are transporting people it seems like it would be easy to justify having someone directly responsible with its operation (like a tram driver).
- dbcurtis 8y ago
  Well, the way it works in practice is that most buildings have a multi-year service agreement with either the service arm of a major manufacturer, or a third-party maintenance firm. A really large property complex would probably have a mechanic who essentially is full time at that complex. But as a practical matter, you need access to spare parts, drawings, etc, so it is hard to be a one-man show. Because of parts access and licensing, I think it would be impractical for most commercial landlords to keep a mechanic on staff. Usually for any building there is a primary mechanic who is assigned to that site, so that he has familiarity with the quirks of the system, relationships with the landlord's staff, etc. Of course mechanics in the same office cover for and assist each other.

protomyth 8y ago

The apprenticeship isn’t really the problem, as that’s pretty common because a newbie can really screw things up including causing deaths. The problem is the basic training. It costs a fair amount of money to setup the basic training facility and to keep it running.

internet_user 8y ago

Skip college, do a 4 year apprenticeship instead - is that really sound?

dbcurtis 8y ago
That depends on the person, doesn't it? I have a nephew that has had issues with ADD. He is an intelligent young man, but not cut out for the kind of butt-in-seat stamina that it takes to get a college degree. He is currently almost done with a commercial electrician apprenticeship, and has finally hit his stride. He is doing well in his job, and acing all the licensing exams. He also has the kind of personality that cultivates good customer relationships, which makes me think that in a few years he could easily set up his own shop. Not everybody is well-served by college.
_AzMoo 8y ago
At least you get paid in an apprenticeship.
- cf498 8y ago
  Do it right and you can get payed in college too. In Germany you have cooperative study programs for fields that are in high demand (like CS). Your degree takes 2 semesters longer in which you work at a company who pays you from start to finish of your study. Rates are similar to early apprenticeships if i am not mistaken. Also no strings attached, you can tell your company to screw itself after you finished your degree. Not finding enough people is a real issue in some fields.
- speedplane 8y ago
  Every technical summer internship I worked at I got paid, roughly at the same rate as a junior engineer entering from college.

ransom1538 8y ago

"The rules should be amended such that you can get an escalator repair license in 60 days." There are real risks fucking up an elevator. https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/27/china/chinese-mother-killed-escalator/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/27/china/chinese-mother-killed-e...

asaph 8y ago
Why was there only 1 flimsy panel between the top of the escalator and a deadly downward plunge? Why aren't there any safety layers in between? It doesn't take an expert to know that's poor (even negligent) engineering. Perhaps if escalators were better made, they wouldn't be so deadly and require years long apprenticeships for maintenance workers to not endanger lives.

ajmurmann 8y ago

> I'll admit I don't know the first thing about escalator repair > The rules should be amended such that you can get an escalator repair license in 60 days. Are you serious? These two statements of yours are only separated by a tiny sentence and obviously don't go well together.