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I wish Google would take a page from Apple's book and be more forceful with their public responses to this stuff. Basically like Apple saying that they invest

by rk404 8y ago

I wish Google would take a page from Apple's book and be more forceful with their public responses to this stuff. Basically like Apple saying that they invest in their products and Spotify just wants a free ride (which I agree with) Google has an even better case as they also let users sideload apps and change defaults.

Barrin92 8y ago
>Basically like Apple saying that they invest in their products and Spotify just wants a free ride (which I agree with) nobody's going to use a phone that isn't supported by applications. In fact every application provided by developers to the apple ecosystem increases the marginal value of the phone. In what world is that free riding? And why would anyone support this egregious behaviour of giant companies commanding around the rest of the market?
- rk404 8y ago
  I'm of the mindset that when you create something you gain the privilege to do with it as you please.
  - falcor84 8y ago
    What does that mean? Creating a trebuchet doesn't give you the privilege to sling projectiles at the neighboring town, right? You are allowed to do what you please with your things within the confines of the law. A government creates laws to promote the wellbeing of the populace. In this case, they decided that it's no longer lawful for Google to set a default browser, so Google shouldn't do it anymore.
    - rk404 8y ago
      We're not talking about inflicting bodily harm, it's a different context where the "well being of the populace" isn't guaranteed nor is achieving it the motive here. It might be legal for a government that is driven by populist and protectionist agenda to target the useful and unique inventions of foreign companies but it isn't fair and it infringes on the natural rights of these companies.
    - antipropaganda 8y ago
      > Creating a trebuchet doesn't give you the privilege to sling projectiles at the neighboring town, right? The difference here is that you did not create the town. It is publically created and publicly owned. Your rights and privileges ends where someone else's begins > A government creates laws to promote the wellbeing of the populace Yes, but it does so by creating an environment where individuals can choose for themselves what wellbeing means to them
- sam0x17 8y ago
  > In what world is that free riding? In the world where there exists a platform where paid software on that platform gets 30% of its revenue automatically sucked out just by virtue of existing on that platform
- ViViDboarder 8y ago
  Commission for marketing and/or maintaining a platform for sale is not uncommon... They’ve got a store, and if you’d like to sell there then you have to pay a commission. My real issue is that there is no alternative. You can’t opt out and use a different store.
  - Barrin92 8y ago
    >Commission for marketing and/or maintaining a platform for sale is not uncommon I think this would be a strong point if commissioning the store was the primary means of income for apple. But apple strategically uses the fees to attack their competitors. Squeezing spotify for example with a 30% fee while at the same time pushing out apple music for a ~30% lower price. That in my mind is not a content agnostic platform seeking to make money as a service provider, but leveraging a platform to attempt to gain monopolistic power by force.
jdietrich 8y ago
>Google has an even better case as they also let users sideload apps and change defaults. Google already lost their case; they were fined $5bn. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/18/630030673/eu-hits-google-with-5-billion-fine-for-pushing-apps-on-android-users https://www.npr.org/2018/07/18/630030673/eu-hits-google-with...

by rk404 8y ago

Barrin92 8y ago

>Basically like Apple saying that they invest in their products and Spotify just wants a free ride (which I agree with) nobody's going to use a phone that isn't supported by applications. In fact every application provided by developers to the apple ecosystem increases the marginal value of the phone. In what world is that free riding? And why would anyone support this egregious behaviour of giant companies commanding around the rest of the market?

rk404 8y ago
I'm of the mindset that when you create something you gain the privilege to do with it as you please.
- falcor84 8y ago
  What does that mean? Creating a trebuchet doesn't give you the privilege to sling projectiles at the neighboring town, right? You are allowed to do what you please with your things within the confines of the law. A government creates laws to promote the wellbeing of the populace. In this case, they decided that it's no longer lawful for Google to set a default browser, so Google shouldn't do it anymore.
  - rk404 8y ago
    We're not talking about inflicting bodily harm, it's a different context where the "well being of the populace" isn't guaranteed nor is achieving it the motive here. It might be legal for a government that is driven by populist and protectionist agenda to target the useful and unique inventions of foreign companies but it isn't fair and it infringes on the natural rights of these companies.
  - antipropaganda 8y ago
    > Creating a trebuchet doesn't give you the privilege to sling projectiles at the neighboring town, right? The difference here is that you did not create the town. It is publically created and publicly owned. Your rights and privileges ends where someone else's begins > A government creates laws to promote the wellbeing of the populace Yes, but it does so by creating an environment where individuals can choose for themselves what wellbeing means to them
sam0x17 8y ago
> In what world is that free riding? In the world where there exists a platform where paid software on that platform gets 30% of its revenue automatically sucked out just by virtue of existing on that platform
ViViDboarder 8y ago
Commission for marketing and/or maintaining a platform for sale is not uncommon... They’ve got a store, and if you’d like to sell there then you have to pay a commission. My real issue is that there is no alternative. You can’t opt out and use a different store.
- Barrin92 8y ago
  >Commission for marketing and/or maintaining a platform for sale is not uncommon I think this would be a strong point if commissioning the store was the primary means of income for apple. But apple strategically uses the fees to attack their competitors. Squeezing spotify for example with a 30% fee while at the same time pushing out apple music for a ~30% lower price. That in my mind is not a content agnostic platform seeking to make money as a service provider, but leveraging a platform to attempt to gain monopolistic power by force.

jdietrich 8y ago

>Google has an even better case as they also let users sideload apps and change defaults. Google already lost their case; they were fined $5bn. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/18/630030673/eu-hits-google-with-5-billion-fine-for-pushing-apps-on-android-users https://www.npr.org/2018/07/18/630030673/eu-hits-google-with...