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James Oroc talks about it in his book / interviews. There are a couple churches that use 5-MeO-DMT as a sacrament, but I think they have a defibrillator and som

James Oroc talks about it in his book / interviews. There are a couple churches that use 5-MeO-DMT as a sacrament, but I think they have a defibrillator and someone with medical training on hand. I don't think it's excessively dangerous if you have good cardiovascular fitness and are able to accurately dose it, but it's still substantially more dangerous than something like DMT. There is/was a church called Temple of Awakening Divinity (TOAD), and there are some interviews with the founder online.

collyw 8y ago
What churches use this? As an (open minded) atheist it annoys me that religious groups get privileges over the rest of us, (when most of the time these religions seems to amount to a lack of critical thinking and objectivity). I would be interested in trying something like this, but the likely means would seem to be likely criminal and unsupervised. (Saying that I live in Spain and have seen some something like "bufo" toad stuff advertised alongside ayahuasca in retreats with a bit of new age crap thrown in for good measure. As an open minded atheist I would like to experience something like that without any belief based religious stuff attached). In my own country it would most definitely be illegal.
- loceng 8y ago
  Santo Daime is one I know of. High probability if you live in a large population centre there will be one or more Daime churches in your area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime As far as I know most places use conditional licences that must be renewed every 2 years, it's in part to make sure those practicing are good and safe stewards/leaders. Native American groups also have the right in different places, where the general population doesn't. You can attend Santo Daime works without being religious, and as a guest to the church. When thinking about religion I find it best to realize there's such a wide distribution of beliefs and practices, and a difference between mainstream religion or "TV religion" vs. other.

collyw 8y ago

What churches use this? As an (open minded) atheist it annoys me that religious groups get privileges over the rest of us, (when most of the time these religions seems to amount to a lack of critical thinking and objectivity). I would be interested in trying something like this, but the likely means would seem to be likely criminal and unsupervised. (Saying that I live in Spain and have seen some something like "bufo" toad stuff advertised alongside ayahuasca in retreats with a bit of new age crap thrown in for good measure. As an open minded atheist I would like to experience something like that without any belief based religious stuff attached). In my own country it would most definitely be illegal.

loceng 8y ago
Santo Daime is one I know of. High probability if you live in a large population centre there will be one or more Daime churches in your area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime As far as I know most places use conditional licences that must be renewed every 2 years, it's in part to make sure those practicing are good and safe stewards/leaders. Native American groups also have the right in different places, where the general population doesn't. You can attend Santo Daime works without being religious, and as a guest to the church. When thinking about religion I find it best to realize there's such a wide distribution of beliefs and practices, and a difference between mainstream religion or "TV religion" vs. other.