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This seems backwards. I don't feel strongly about networkd or NetworkManager either way, but I am curious on the meta-debate. I am personally a fan of the mode

by sly010 8y ago

This seems backwards. I don't feel strongly about networkd or NetworkManager either way, but I am curious on the meta-debate. I am personally a fan of the modernization of the linux userspace in the last 10 years (systemd, wayland, networkmanager), but I also understand that the puzzle pieces don't always fit together. However the argument against new things always seems to come down to "not what I am used to". Other than tradition what is wrong with explicitly configuring NetworkManager to configure /etc/resolv.conf "my way" instead of going behind it's back. Does it not have a "DNS Server: manual" option?

nisa 8y ago
I'm only a bystander in this fight but this is dishonest: > However the argument against new things always seems to come down to "not what I am used to". For me it's always: I can't debug this. I remember installing RHEL 7.0 just after release and nmtui crashing on me with some weird problem in glib when setting a hostname using it. I also remember trying to debug openvpn in network manager (https://i.imgur.com/zbaRcST.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/zbaRcST.mp4) and both of these are beaten paths... I'm able to somehow get around most shell scripts but when something crashes in C land on a customer box - what a PITA! It's not impossible but the amount of work I have to invest is just sooo huge. I remember yelling at reddit about some gnome stuff - and I've got a link to several powerpoint presentations... give me technical documentation not powerpoints and give me tools to troubleshoot that shit. No strace should be a last resort and not your goto tool: https://blog.uberspace.de/systemd-error-getting-authority-kohoutek/ https://blog.uberspace.de/systemd-error-getting-authority-ko... (link in german, but google translate should work)
- sly010 8y ago
  Good point. > this is dishonest Of course it is, I was trying to trigger a response :)
- spc476 8y ago
  Having used Unix since 1989 and basically, everything related to Unix admin changes every 10 years. I'm tired of it. And I relish the fact that in twenty years, this year's set of hipster devop admins calling me a neckbeard will be screaming "get off my lawn" at the constant arbitrary changes this industry seems love.

by sly010 8y ago

nisa 8y ago

I'm only a bystander in this fight but this is dishonest: > However the argument against new things always seems to come down to "not what I am used to". For me it's always: I can't debug this. I remember installing RHEL 7.0 just after release and nmtui crashing on me with some weird problem in glib when setting a hostname using it. I also remember trying to debug openvpn in network manager (https://i.imgur.com/zbaRcST.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/zbaRcST.mp4) and both of these are beaten paths... I'm able to somehow get around most shell scripts but when something crashes in C land on a customer box - what a PITA! It's not impossible but the amount of work I have to invest is just sooo huge. I remember yelling at reddit about some gnome stuff - and I've got a link to several powerpoint presentations... give me technical documentation not powerpoints and give me tools to troubleshoot that shit. No strace should be a last resort and not your goto tool: https://blog.uberspace.de/systemd-error-getting-authority-kohoutek/ https://blog.uberspace.de/systemd-error-getting-authority-ko... (link in german, but google translate should work)

sly010 8y ago
Good point. > this is dishonest Of course it is, I was trying to trigger a response :)
spc476 8y ago
Having used Unix since 1989 and basically, everything related to Unix admin changes every 10 years. I'm tired of it. And I relish the fact that in twenty years, this year's set of hipster devop admins calling me a neckbeard will be screaming "get off my lawn" at the constant arbitrary changes this industry seems love.