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And yet Linux distros like Ubuntu around 9.0 were much more stable than these days. With 16.04 I get core lockups (Intel microcode) and cannot switch out of X

by xvaaa 8y ago

And yet Linux distros like Ubuntu around 9.0 were much more stable than these days. With 16.04 I get core lockups (Intel microcode) and cannot switch out of X with Ctrl-Alt-F1. NetworkManager no longer connects the mobile surfstick, so I do it manually now with pppd. I can't claim that I had a specific problem with systemd, but I never had an issue with SysVinit either. The overall trend however is that Linux distros accumulate crapware by RedHat's NIH developers. I'm not surprised that NetworkManager is also by RedHat.

isostatic 8y ago
I assumed the new network layer in ubuntu 18.04 (which replaced /etc/network/interfaces) was some pan-distro/redhat inspired solution. Apparently not -- netplan is ubuntu originated. They don't do themselves any favours.
- alexeldeib 8y ago
  I was really disappointed by this myself. Netplan seems slick, but I don’t want yet another new, distributor-specific way to manage this stuff. Red Hat seems to be quite good at wrangling such tooling, but I don’t know of a solution by them/others as slick as the netplan config.
vngzs 8y ago
Ctrl+Alt+F1 switching is not possible unless you expose virtual terminals on the other virtual displays. Arch Linux at least does this by default, except that your first X session will start on the same display as your virtual terminal (which is good for security relative to the earlier practice of moving Xorg to VT7 while leaving an active shell on VT1). For networking I suggest looking at ConnMan. It has a somewhat unintuitive UI, but it is lightweight, fast, and I have yet to find a wireless network that it will not let me connect to.
flukus 8y ago
> and cannot switch out of X with Ctrl-Alt-F1. You can't switch users within x either, it's been broken since at least 14.04 (according to an old close bug report I found). It works the first time but on subsequent tries you just get the lock screen. The bug report was closed after several years of nothing.
- blattimwind 8y ago
  Since some time my main Linux box won't continue booting to the graphical login manager unless I hit some random keys (any will do) on the keyboard. I guess there is some service asking interactively for something, but I can't see any prompt (maybe swallowed by systemd, who knows). Since some time switching VTs resets all hardware accelerated applications (i.e. crashes them). Since some time unlocking the graphical session is randomly broken and requires loginctl session-unlock from another VT (which then promptly triggers bug 2). These things keep coming and going... it's not even Linux-specific. Stuff just breaks all the time and you shrug and move along, hoping that maybe someday it's fixed. For most of these I wouldn't even know who should receive a bug report. Maybe it's the graphical login, maybe the compositor, maybe mesa, maybe a kernel driver, maybe systemd, maybe maybe...
- xvYXA 8y ago
  I have encountered this since 16.04.
lathiat 8y ago
On current Ubuntu releases gdm (login screen) now runs on VT1, which is what you are trying to switch to with Ctrl-Alt-F1. Your current session is likely on VT2 (Ctrl-Alt-F2) You could try Ctrl-Alt-F3, F4, etc to get a login terminal.

by xvaaa 8y ago

isostatic 8y ago

I assumed the new network layer in ubuntu 18.04 (which replaced /etc/network/interfaces) was some pan-distro/redhat inspired solution. Apparently not -- netplan is ubuntu originated. They don't do themselves any favours.

alexeldeib 8y ago
I was really disappointed by this myself. Netplan seems slick, but I don’t want yet another new, distributor-specific way to manage this stuff. Red Hat seems to be quite good at wrangling such tooling, but I don’t know of a solution by them/others as slick as the netplan config.

vngzs 8y ago

Ctrl+Alt+F1 switching is not possible unless you expose virtual terminals on the other virtual displays. Arch Linux at least does this by default, except that your first X session will start on the same display as your virtual terminal (which is good for security relative to the earlier practice of moving Xorg to VT7 while leaving an active shell on VT1). For networking I suggest looking at ConnMan. It has a somewhat unintuitive UI, but it is lightweight, fast, and I have yet to find a wireless network that it will not let me connect to.

flukus 8y ago

> and cannot switch out of X with Ctrl-Alt-F1. You can't switch users within x either, it's been broken since at least 14.04 (according to an old close bug report I found). It works the first time but on subsequent tries you just get the lock screen. The bug report was closed after several years of nothing.

blattimwind 8y ago
Since some time my main Linux box won't continue booting to the graphical login manager unless I hit some random keys (any will do) on the keyboard. I guess there is some service asking interactively for something, but I can't see any prompt (maybe swallowed by systemd, who knows). Since some time switching VTs resets all hardware accelerated applications (i.e. crashes them). Since some time unlocking the graphical session is randomly broken and requires loginctl session-unlock from another VT (which then promptly triggers bug 2). These things keep coming and going... it's not even Linux-specific. Stuff just breaks all the time and you shrug and move along, hoping that maybe someday it's fixed. For most of these I wouldn't even know who should receive a bug report. Maybe it's the graphical login, maybe the compositor, maybe mesa, maybe a kernel driver, maybe systemd, maybe maybe...
xvYXA 8y ago
I have encountered this since 16.04.

lathiat 8y ago

On current Ubuntu releases gdm (login screen) now runs on VT1, which is what you are trying to switch to with Ctrl-Alt-F1. Your current session is likely on VT2 (Ctrl-Alt-F2) You could try Ctrl-Alt-F3, F4, etc to get a login terminal.