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Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in.

by ng12 8y ago

CharlesColeman 8y ago
> Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in. This comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419), states that according to NZ law, the video was "born illegal." [1] [1] term inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret
- ng12 8y ago
  That's why I said "retroactively declared illegal".
  - CharlesColeman 8y ago
    I took the comment to mean that there's a set of criteria that makes all matching videos illegal from when they're created, not just from when an authority declares the video matches the criteria (which could just be viewed as confirmation).
lancewiggs 8y ago
If someone posts a video that is obscene then that's a crime at the time, even if the video is not spotted until later. Similarly if someone murders someone it's a crime when the event happens, even if it is not found out until later. In all cases ignorance of the law is not a defence. And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place.
- ng12 8y ago
  > If someone posts a video that is obscene I live in the USA. Barring a few very specific categories I'm allowed to post almost anything. At worst I can get sued for refusing to take it down. > And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place. What? I can violate all the New Zealand laws I like. I live in a sovereign nation very far away.
  - amanzi 8y ago
    Don't forget that most of these sites have terms of use which explicitly bans the uploading of these types of videos. So even if you live in a country that permits you sharing it, you'll still need to find a site willing to host it.

Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in.

by ng12 8y ago

Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in.

CharlesColeman 8y ago

> Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in. This comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419), states that according to NZ law, the video was "born illegal." [1] [1] term inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret

ng12 8y ago
That's why I said "retroactively declared illegal".
- CharlesColeman 8y ago
  I took the comment to mean that there's a set of criteria that makes all matching videos illegal from when they're created, not just from when an authority declares the video matches the criteria (which could just be viewed as confirmation).

lancewiggs 8y ago

If someone posts a video that is obscene then that's a crime at the time, even if the video is not spotted until later. Similarly if someone murders someone it's a crime when the event happens, even if it is not found out until later. In all cases ignorance of the law is not a defence. And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place.

ng12 8y ago
> If someone posts a video that is obscene I live in the USA. Barring a few very specific categories I'm allowed to post almost anything. At worst I can get sued for refusing to take it down. > And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place. What? I can violate all the New Zealand laws I like. I live in a sovereign nation very far away.
- amanzi 8y ago
  Don't forget that most of these sites have terms of use which explicitly bans the uploading of these types of videos. So even if you live in a country that permits you sharing it, you'll still need to find a site willing to host it.