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This content was classified as illegal in NZ and so Facebook needs to comply with NZ law if they wish to continue operating here.

by amanzi 8y ago

ng12 8y ago
Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in.
- CharlesColeman 8y ago
  > Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in. This comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419), states that according to NZ law, the video was "born illegal." [1] [1] term inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret
  - ng12 8y ago
    That's why I said "retroactively declared illegal".
    - CharlesColeman 8y ago
      I took the comment to mean that there's a set of criteria that makes all matching videos illegal from when they're created, not just from when an authority declares the video matches the criteria (which could just be viewed as confirmation).
- lancewiggs 8y ago
  If someone posts a video that is obscene then that's a crime at the time, even if the video is not spotted until later. Similarly if someone murders someone it's a crime when the event happens, even if it is not found out until later. In all cases ignorance of the law is not a defence. And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place.
  - ng12 8y ago
    > If someone posts a video that is obscene I live in the USA. Barring a few very specific categories I'm allowed to post almost anything. At worst I can get sued for refusing to take it down. > And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place. What? I can violate all the New Zealand laws I like. I live in a sovereign nation very far away.
    - amanzi 8y ago
      Don't forget that most of these sites have terms of use which explicitly bans the uploading of these types of videos. So even if you live in a country that permits you sharing it, you'll still need to find a site willing to host it.
parliament32 8y ago
Going on a worldwide crusade to remove the video from everywhere possible seems rather heavy-handed for a nation-specific law. The response from FB and other groups to this video specifically has been very strange.
- Taniwha 8y ago
  It's a snuff film, there's no conceivable reason for anyone to want to view it other than mental illness
  - parliament32 8y ago
    So are the 9/11 videos, yet those seem to be everywhere without anyone having a problem with them.
- amanzi 8y ago
  The video also violates Facebook's terms of use.
Palptine 8y ago
Wow, if Facebook does the same about tiananmen tank men and a sleuth of other stuff, they didn't have to get blocked in China!

This content was classified as illegal in NZ and so Facebook needs to comply with NZ law if they wish to continue operating here.

by amanzi 8y ago

This content was classified as illegal in NZ and so Facebook needs to comply with NZ law if they wish to continue operating here.

ng12 8y ago

Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in.

CharlesColeman 8y ago
> Classified as illegal after the fact. You can't punish users for sharing a video that was retroactively declared illegal by a country they don't live in. This comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19435419), states that according to NZ law, the video was "born illegal." [1] [1] term inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret
- ng12 8y ago
  That's why I said "retroactively declared illegal".
  - CharlesColeman 8y ago
    I took the comment to mean that there's a set of criteria that makes all matching videos illegal from when they're created, not just from when an authority declares the video matches the criteria (which could just be viewed as confirmation).
lancewiggs 8y ago
If someone posts a video that is obscene then that's a crime at the time, even if the video is not spotted until later. Similarly if someone murders someone it's a crime when the event happens, even if it is not found out until later. In all cases ignorance of the law is not a defence. And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place.
- ng12 8y ago
  > If someone posts a video that is obscene I live in the USA. Barring a few very specific categories I'm allowed to post almost anything. At worst I can get sued for refusing to take it down. > And if someone does this from another country then most countries have extradition treaties in place. What? I can violate all the New Zealand laws I like. I live in a sovereign nation very far away.
  - amanzi 8y ago
    Don't forget that most of these sites have terms of use which explicitly bans the uploading of these types of videos. So even if you live in a country that permits you sharing it, you'll still need to find a site willing to host it.

parliament32 8y ago

Going on a worldwide crusade to remove the video from everywhere possible seems rather heavy-handed for a nation-specific law. The response from FB and other groups to this video specifically has been very strange.

Taniwha 8y ago
It's a snuff film, there's no conceivable reason for anyone to want to view it other than mental illness
- parliament32 8y ago
  So are the 9/11 videos, yet those seem to be everywhere without anyone having a problem with them.
amanzi 8y ago
The video also violates Facebook's terms of use.

Palptine 8y ago

Wow, if Facebook does the same about tiananmen tank men and a sleuth of other stuff, they didn't have to get blocked in China!