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I was just rationalizing in my head that I only hear one side of the story, that surely there were some good reasons they were banned. Google has a lot of users

by comboy 8y ago

I was just rationalizing in my head that I only hear one side of the story, that surely there were some good reasons they were banned. Google has a lot of users, and I only hear about those worst cases and so on. But no, get to the frontpage and poof, it's solved. It really sucks for all those startups who didn't have luck getting their post viral.

yeldarb 8y ago
Even if you do go viral there's no guarantee :-/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3803568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3803568 It's 7 years later and my company is still banned from Adsense and to this day they've never told us why. On the bright side, I should be seeing some of the class action settlement money any day now.. http://www.adsensepublishersettlement.com http://www.adsensepublishersettlement.com
- philliphaydon 8y ago
  I had about 30 domains at one point so I set them all up on Adsense as I wasn’t using them. I spent about 3 days setting it up. On the last day I went and checked all 30 domains to make sure I setup all of them. 2 days later I got banned. So I was on Adsense for 5 days total. But I’ve never cared to contest it cos I don’t care. But I don’t understand how Google can’t ignore my views to Adsense.
  - cableshaft 8y ago
    Exactly, they can definitely detect your own views, why they can't just toss them out, I don't know. One time I got curious what the ads on my site were for and checked a few of the links out. I was banned permanently shortly after.
    - Rogger 8y ago
      Hello
SiVal 8y ago
We need a change in anti-trust law given how many markets are now dominated by network effects. Any company that controls more than (some) percent of a significant (by some definition) market/medium/distribution channel loses the ability to unilaterally ban/refuse to serve a user except for VERY limited reasons, such as non-payment, intentional vandalism, fraud, or other criminal (not company policy-violating but actual law-breaking) activity. If such serious violation is alleged, account can be suspended pending ruling by regulatory agency. If reg agency rules that no such violation took place, the suspension will be ordered lifted and a fine imposed as compensation--no lawsuit by MomsBasementStartup against WeOwnYouMegaCorp is necessary. So, if you really want to have the power to ban whoever you want for whatever "terms of service" reasons please you, better make sure you never grow very big. Your ability to reject users falls as their ability to reject you and go with your competitors falls.
bitL 8y ago
As someone who wrote a Deep Learning-based anomaly detection pipeline used in real world I doubt they know precisely what the issue was. It could have been a simple flagging slightly over whatever threshold they set to their system, maybe ticking off a tiny majority voting of their "suspicion" detectors. Not having humans involved, nor having clearly human-interpretable results will be always an issue at scale.
- throwaway_9168 8y ago
  Or it could also be that people who code these algorithms are not quite skilled enough to develop them in the first place? "If it is too big to fail, it is probably too big to exist"
ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
Good reasons for being banned? I know developers who have been banned for 1) Reselling their pixel devices (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/google-suspends-customer-accounts-for-reselling-pixel-phones https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/google-su...) 2) Using paypal and not Google wallet (when it launched) 3) App being too similar to other popular apps 4) Related account that has a ban using multi-sign (This thread) 5) Invalid traffic to adsense 6) For expired credit cards or invalid charges in Google wallet 7) For bank account switching problems even if there is no fraud (https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/3ki65d/warning_to_all_google_wallet_users/ https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/3ki65d/warning_to_a...) 8) For attempts to avoid buying apps or too many refund requests (https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/8kvias/tifu_by_getting_google_to_ban_our_entire_company/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/8kvias/tifu_by_gettin...) Some unlucky people had all their google accounts purged including Drive and Gmail (Especially with monetary issues like invalid adsense clicks, invalid charge on wallet, too many app refunds) Keep in mind that the ban is LIFETIME and any account that you multi-sign at any point in your LIFE will also be banned AND there is zero customer support. Some users have been banned for multisign issues even after 8-10 years.

by comboy 8y ago

yeldarb 8y ago

Even if you do go viral there's no guarantee :-/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3803568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3803568 It's 7 years later and my company is still banned from Adsense and to this day they've never told us why. On the bright side, I should be seeing some of the class action settlement money any day now.. http://www.adsensepublishersettlement.com http://www.adsensepublishersettlement.com

philliphaydon 8y ago
I had about 30 domains at one point so I set them all up on Adsense as I wasn’t using them. I spent about 3 days setting it up. On the last day I went and checked all 30 domains to make sure I setup all of them. 2 days later I got banned. So I was on Adsense for 5 days total. But I’ve never cared to contest it cos I don’t care. But I don’t understand how Google can’t ignore my views to Adsense.
- cableshaft 8y ago
  Exactly, they can definitely detect your own views, why they can't just toss them out, I don't know. One time I got curious what the ads on my site were for and checked a few of the links out. I was banned permanently shortly after.
  - Rogger 8y ago
    Hello

SiVal 8y ago

We need a change in anti-trust law given how many markets are now dominated by network effects. Any company that controls more than (some) percent of a significant (by some definition) market/medium/distribution channel loses the ability to unilaterally ban/refuse to serve a user except for VERY limited reasons, such as non-payment, intentional vandalism, fraud, or other criminal (not company policy-violating but actual law-breaking) activity. If such serious violation is alleged, account can be suspended pending ruling by regulatory agency. If reg agency rules that no such violation took place, the suspension will be ordered lifted and a fine imposed as compensation--no lawsuit by MomsBasementStartup against WeOwnYouMegaCorp is necessary. So, if you really want to have the power to ban whoever you want for whatever "terms of service" reasons please you, better make sure you never grow very big. Your ability to reject users falls as their ability to reject you and go with your competitors falls.

bitL 8y ago

As someone who wrote a Deep Learning-based anomaly detection pipeline used in real world I doubt they know precisely what the issue was. It could have been a simple flagging slightly over whatever threshold they set to their system, maybe ticking off a tiny majority voting of their "suspicion" detectors. Not having humans involved, nor having clearly human-interpretable results will be always an issue at scale.

throwaway_9168 8y ago
Or it could also be that people who code these algorithms are not quite skilled enough to develop them in the first place? "If it is too big to fail, it is probably too big to exist"

ganeshkrishnan 8y ago

Good reasons for being banned? I know developers who have been banned for 1) Reselling their pixel devices (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/google-suspends-customer-accounts-for-reselling-pixel-phones https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/google-su...) 2) Using paypal and not Google wallet (when it launched) 3) App being too similar to other popular apps 4) Related account that has a ban using multi-sign (This thread) 5) Invalid traffic to adsense 6) For expired credit cards or invalid charges in Google wallet 7) For bank account switching problems even if there is no fraud (https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/3ki65d/warning_to_all_google_wallet_users/ https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/3ki65d/warning_to_a...) 8) For attempts to avoid buying apps or too many refund requests (https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/8kvias/tifu_by_getting_google_to_ban_our_entire_company/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/8kvias/tifu_by_gettin...) Some unlucky people had all their google accounts purged including Drive and Gmail (Especially with monetary issues like invalid adsense clicks, invalid charge on wallet, too many app refunds) Keep in mind that the ban is LIFETIME and any account that you multi-sign at any point in your LIFE will also be banned AND there is zero customer support. Some users have been banned for multisign issues even after 8-10 years.