> All of these are obvious limitations upon others. Meaningless if not enforced. > Yes, they require people to enforce them Exactly the point. > but the net

> All of these are obvious limitations upon others. Meaningless if not enforced. > Yes, they require people to enforce them Exactly the point. > but the net result is less action, not more. Irrelevant distinction. > Providing internet access or clean water is adding something not previously inherent to the system Who cares, I said nothing about any of that. > I'm surprised that this difference need be pointed out. If you paid attention to what I said, you'd be surprised you're bothering to point it out since I didn't say anything about it. > As a side note, anybody that avoids jury duty or regrets the necessity of safeguarding a fellow citizen's rights should be ashamed and spend some serious time in reflection on why we conduct jury trials. Agreed.