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> a lot of injustice "injustice" doesn't even begin to describe the level of persecution that they have endured in China. This is nothing like Scientology in a

> a lot of injustice "injustice" doesn't even begin to describe the level of persecution that they have endured in China. This is nothing like Scientology in any way, followers of Scientology are not murdered by the U.S. government. Just take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong#Torture_and_extrajudicial_killing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong#Tort... "In order to reach transformation targets, the government sanctioned the systematic use of torture and violence against Falun Gong practitioners, including shocks with electric truncheons and beatings." "Since 2000, the U.N. Special Rapporteur on Torture documented 314 cases of torture in China, representing more than 1,160 individuals. Falun Gong comprised 66% of the reported torture cases." "The Falun Dafa Information Center reports that over 3,700 named Falun Gong practitioners have died as a result of torture and abuse in custody, typically after they refused to recant their beliefs. ... Government authorities deny that Falun Gong practitioners are killed in custody. They attribute deaths to suicide, illness, or other accidents." "In 2014, investigative journalist Ethan Gutmann published the results of his own investigation. ... In 2014, investigative journalist Ethan Gutmann published the results of his own investigation. ... In December 2005 and November 2006, China's Deputy Health Minister acknowledged that the practice of removing organs from executed prisoners for transplants was widespread. However, Chinese officials deny that Falun Gong practitioners' organs are being harvested, and insist that China abides by World Health Organization principles that prohibit the sale of human organs without written consent from donors." And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong_outside_mainland_China#Attempts_at_persecution_overseas_by_the_Communist_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong_outside_mainland_Ch... "In September 2001, five Falun Gong practitioners were assaulted while demonstrating outside the Chinese consulate in Chicago. The assailants, who were later convicted of battery, were members of a Chinese-American association with connections to the Chinese consulate." "In 2002, 25-year-old Ottawa practitioner Leon Wang reported being kicked, dragged, and beaten inside the Chinese embassy after he was caught taking pictures of an anti-Falun Gong exhibit being held there. The embassy responded that Wang had 'sneaked in ... and disrupted its normal functioning' of the event."

crankylinuxuser 8y ago
You know, they can both be bad. Just because a government does bad things to a group, doesn't mean the group is now good. Doesn't mean they're bad either.
- perennate 8y ago
  I disagree with their beliefs, but to me, committing genocide is a few steps above teaching that homosexuality is immoral. But that could just be because I grew up in a country where freedom of speech is stressed in society, maybe in China murdering thousands of people who follow a "weird" ideology is not considered "bad". Mostly I was responding to using "injustice" instead of e.g. "violent persecution" and implying that having "their assets frozen" was the worst thing that happened. And implying that a lack of sympathy is somehow relevant in considering the morality of their persecution. Consider this despicable statement: "Although a lot of injustice was done to followers of Judaism, and most of their assets were frozen, there wasn't much sympathy for the Jewish people in Nazi Germany and they were typically regarded as a bit weird." These are not at all at the same scale or level of persecution, but nevertheless if you condemn the statement above then logically you ought to condemn the other.
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  - hurr_durr 8y ago
    Did you seriously compare Falun Gong practitioners to Jews? ...for Christ's sake...
  - iknowordidthat 8y ago
    > I disagree with their beliefs, but to me, committing genocide is a few steps above teaching that homosexuality is immoral. Don’t mistake lack of opportunity for lack of will. Nutty ideologies are ‘harmless’ till they have an opportunity to act on their nuttiness.
    - intended 8y ago

crankylinuxuser 8y ago

You know, they can both be bad. Just because a government does bad things to a group, doesn't mean the group is now good. Doesn't mean they're bad either.

perennate 8y ago
I disagree with their beliefs, but to me, committing genocide is a few steps above teaching that homosexuality is immoral. But that could just be because I grew up in a country where freedom of speech is stressed in society, maybe in China murdering thousands of people who follow a "weird" ideology is not considered "bad". Mostly I was responding to using "injustice" instead of e.g. "violent persecution" and implying that having "their assets frozen" was the worst thing that happened. And implying that a lack of sympathy is somehow relevant in considering the morality of their persecution. Consider this despicable statement: "Although a lot of injustice was done to followers of Judaism, and most of their assets were frozen, there wasn't much sympathy for the Jewish people in Nazi Germany and they were typically regarded as a bit weird." These are not at all at the same scale or level of persecution, but nevertheless if you condemn the statement above then logically you ought to condemn the other.
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- hurr_durr 8y ago
  Did you seriously compare Falun Gong practitioners to Jews? ...for Christ's sake...
- iknowordidthat 8y ago
  > I disagree with their beliefs, but to me, committing genocide is a few steps above teaching that homosexuality is immoral. Don’t mistake lack of opportunity for lack of will. Nutty ideologies are ‘harmless’ till they have an opportunity to act on their nuttiness.
  - intended 8y ago