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> I am rejecting your high density sustainable cities list but when I get the time, I will do my own research and if I am wrong in my intuition that you are off

> I am rejecting your high density sustainable cities list but when I get the time, I will do my own research and if I am wrong in my intuition that you are off mark, I will certainly come back to you with it. You reject the history of the world? > Also..I can’t give you any example because no system lasts for ‘thousands’ of years. Yes, they do. Humans have numerous examples of sustainable systems. The Japanese are well known for several businesses that have lasted over 1000 years. The English have their own share of institutions that have lasted centuries. Of course, institutions like the church have lasted two thousand documented years. Humans know how to build to last, but it's a matter of following the wisdom of the ages. > The solution is not high density and shaming people NIMBY or coerced altruism but cooperation Coerced altruism? We currently have coerced ruralism! San Francisco is not built the way it is because developers and property owners want it. The government of San Fracisco places artificial limits on what can be built. It's one thing to not want to upgrade your own home, but currently, the city allows your neighbor to tell you hwat you can do with your property. If you want to build higher density, your property improvement plans are subject to a hearing of your neighbors and neighborhood. This is ridiculous. People should be free to do what they want so the free market can work, and we should not be coercing them to maintain an untenable status quo. > This leads to no money for infrastructure improvements or overcrowding in schools and budget cuts. And yet..it’s these high property priced areas that have a higher influx of school kids. It’s not working. There's no such thing as overcrowding. People have been educated in large classes for many many years. The issue is a lack of focus on education and academics in the schooling system. The American school system completely lacks rigor, and teachers tend to come from the lowest ends of their educational cohort (test scores of teachers are among the lowest when compared with other groups)>

jelliclesfarm 8y ago
Businesses last for thousands of years?? I have never heard of anything like that before. I don’t want to live in a world that is like a church. property rights are important. If they are not respected, the state has more control over your property than you do. Immediate neighbours have the right to expectation of privacy and impact of new development I honestly cannot have a discussion with someone who says ‘there is no such thing as overcrowding’. This is the end for me. Have a good rest of the day.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  I honestly cannot have a discussion with someone who says ‘there is no such thing as overcrowding’. This is the end for me. Have a good rest of the day. I suspect you are using some popular misconceptions in place of actual knowledge of urban geography, history, and economics. (Not that I'm such an expert. Basically, I took Geography 101 and remembered the 20th century segment.)
- tathougies 8y ago
  > Businesses last for thousands of years?? I have never heard of anything like that before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies > I honestly cannot have a discussion with someone who says ‘there is no such thing as overcrowding’. This is the end for me. Have a good rest of the day. You are most excellent at strawmanning, sir/madam! I didn't say there is no such thing as overcrowding, merely that San Francisco and LA are not anywhere near the levels of density normally seen in other major cities, such as London, New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong, and other cities of the same importance.

jelliclesfarm 8y ago

Businesses last for thousands of years?? I have never heard of anything like that before. I don’t want to live in a world that is like a church. property rights are important. If they are not respected, the state has more control over your property than you do. Immediate neighbours have the right to expectation of privacy and impact of new development I honestly cannot have a discussion with someone who says ‘there is no such thing as overcrowding’. This is the end for me. Have a good rest of the day.

stcredzero 8y ago
I honestly cannot have a discussion with someone who says ‘there is no such thing as overcrowding’. This is the end for me. Have a good rest of the day. I suspect you are using some popular misconceptions in place of actual knowledge of urban geography, history, and economics. (Not that I'm such an expert. Basically, I took Geography 101 and remembered the 20th century segment.)
tathougies 8y ago
> Businesses last for thousands of years?? I have never heard of anything like that before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies > I honestly cannot have a discussion with someone who says ‘there is no such thing as overcrowding’. This is the end for me. Have a good rest of the day. You are most excellent at strawmanning, sir/madam! I didn't say there is no such thing as overcrowding, merely that San Francisco and LA are not anywhere near the levels of density normally seen in other major cities, such as London, New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong, and other cities of the same importance.