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The Pay Gap Is Way Too Entrenched to Be Solved by Women Alone (2018)

7 points by ryan_j_naughton 8y ago

x0hm 8y ago
The pay gap doesn't exist.
- deogeo 8y ago
  According to this study it does, and is about 4-6%: https://www.glassdoor.com/research/studies/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.glassdoor.com/research/studies/gender-pay-gap/ Comparison of adjusted and unadjusted wage gaps for more countries: https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_324651/lang--en/index.htm https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_...
hhanesand 8y ago
I refuse to read this with that unremovable obnoxious floating banner covering up 20% of my vertical space. Geez.
ta1553025979 8y ago
Throw away so my career doesnt follow. Not all employers[1], Not all roles[2], Not in cities[3], Not due to gender[4] and even if true, probably Not for long[5] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-... [2]: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/10-jobs-where-women-earn-more-than-men.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/10-jobs-where-women-earn-mor... [3]: https://www.governing.com/topics/mgmt/sl-gender-pay-gap.html https://www.governing.com/topics/mgmt/sl-gender-pay-gap.html [4]: https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/ https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explai... [5]: https://www.studyinternational.com/news/record-high-numbers-women-outnumbering-men-university-globally/ https://www.studyinternational.com/news/record-high-numbers-...
lsiq 8y ago
"What’s more, when women become more represented in a job, the pay for that job tends to go down." This is what is most fundamental about what happened to the labor force, it's supply and demand at work. More people willing to do a job with a similar number of openings. Pre-WWII the (formal) labor force was overwhelmingly composed of men, and that proportion has gradually shrunk in the past century to now where there are some professions that are overwhelming done by women. The reason Aerospace Engineers get paid pretty well is not because 91% of them are men and women cannot enter the profession, but rather because few women entering the labor force are training for and choosing to enter that field. This nearly halves the labor supply, which has kept wages higher. This works for the lower end of the labor market as well, garbage men are mostly men and get paid pretty well.

x0hm 8y ago

The pay gap doesn't exist.

deogeo 8y ago
According to this study it does, and is about 4-6%: https://www.glassdoor.com/research/studies/gender-pay-gap/ https://www.glassdoor.com/research/studies/gender-pay-gap/ Comparison of adjusted and unadjusted wage gaps for more countries: https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_324651/lang--en/index.htm https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_...

hhanesand 8y ago

I refuse to read this with that unremovable obnoxious floating banner covering up 20% of my vertical space. Geez.

ta1553025979 8y ago

Throw away so my career doesnt follow. Not all employers[1], Not all roles[2], Not in cities[3], Not due to gender[4] and even if true, probably Not for long[5] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-... [2]: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/10-jobs-where-women-earn-more-than-men.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/10-jobs-where-women-earn-mor... [3]: https://www.governing.com/topics/mgmt/sl-gender-pay-gap.html https://www.governing.com/topics/mgmt/sl-gender-pay-gap.html [4]: https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/ https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explai... [5]: https://www.studyinternational.com/news/record-high-numbers-women-outnumbering-men-university-globally/ https://www.studyinternational.com/news/record-high-numbers-...

lsiq 8y ago

"What’s more, when women become more represented in a job, the pay for that job tends to go down." This is what is most fundamental about what happened to the labor force, it's supply and demand at work. More people willing to do a job with a similar number of openings. Pre-WWII the (formal) labor force was overwhelmingly composed of men, and that proportion has gradually shrunk in the past century to now where there are some professions that are overwhelming done by women. The reason Aerospace Engineers get paid pretty well is not because 91% of them are men and women cannot enter the profession, but rather because few women entering the labor force are training for and choosing to enter that field. This nearly halves the labor supply, which has kept wages higher. This works for the lower end of the labor market as well, garbage men are mostly men and get paid pretty well.