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No. You're describing a closed shop, and closed shops are illegal in the USA. They _could_ require that _after_ joining Kickstarter either join the union or pa
by matthewowen 8y ago
No. You're describing a closed shop, and closed shops are illegal in the USA.
They _could_ require that _after_ joining Kickstarter either join the union or pay equivalent dues.
- icelancer 8y agoHow is that different?
- chrisseaton 8y ago> They _could_ require that _after_ joining Kickstarter either join the union or pay equivalent dues. That sounds like exactly the same thing as a closed shop. How is that practically any different?
- barbecue_sauce 8y agoI suppose it means that you wouldn't even be able to get a job at a closed shop unless you were already a member of the union.
- chrisseaton 8y agoThat doesn't seem practically any different. I still have to support the union if I want to work.
- matthewowen 8y agoIf you want to work at a company there are lots of aspects of corporate culture and working environments that you have to accept if you want to work there. Presumably if you don't want to work in a union shop... you won't? And to put another way: would it be reasonable for you to benefit from the work the union does for all employees without also contributing to that union? All this is besides the point that requiring employees to join the union is a decision the _employer_ would have to make (although probably through union pressure).
- chrisseaton 8y ago> would it be reasonable for you to benefit from the work the union does for all employees without also contributing to that union? If I never asked for the union or their collective bargaining, then yes. It's like cleaning my windows when I never asked you to and then demanding cash for it.
- ken 8y agoNo, it's not like that at all. You are legally allowed to opt out of paying union dues.
- chrisseaton 8y agoSo you'll pay 'fees' instead of 'dues'. Pretty meaningless difference isn't it?
- matthewowen 8y agoIt means that the union can't (eg) control supply by limiting union membership.
- bwestergard 8y agoAdditionally, you can be a "Beck objector". The wikipedia article on this includes a good breakdown of the closed/union/agency shop distinctions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Workers_of_America_v._Beck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Workers_of_Amer...