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What secret they understand that rest of us don't ? Is it cyclic efficiency ? Residual discharge loss ? Environmental cleanup cost ? Lithium sourcing ? Chance

What secret they understand that rest of us don't ? Is it cyclic efficiency ? Residual discharge loss ? Environmental cleanup cost ? Lithium sourcing ? Chance of future tech progress ? Charging time ? What ?

mbushey 8y ago
Bribes from the oil industry. Hydrogen (in the context of evs) has always been about disposing of money that otherwise would have gone into battery research.
SllX 8y ago
Toyota. They spent decades researching hydrogen fuel cells and finally brought a car to market with the technology. Their Mirai is essentially a fuel-cell hybrid, where the ICE component has been replaced with a fuel-cell equivalent and the only waste product from the hydrogen fuel is water. All told it is actually pretty cool, and it is nice to see an alternative to pure electric battery-driven drive trains. Ripping up the crust for Lithium isn’t much of an improvement over ripping it up for hydrocarbons, but it might be a century before we collectively agree. “Mirai” by the way, means “future” in Japanese.
- rasz 8y ago
  Honda also has a quite substantial graveyard of hydrogen cars/concepts.
- woodandsteel 8y ago
  >Ripping up the crust for Lithium isn’t much of an improvement over ripping it up for hydrocarbons If everyone converted entirely to lithium-ion batteries, the crust would still be ripped up about one millionth as much it is at present for fossil fuels.
  - SllX 8y ago
    Not advocating against electric cars so much as for research into more than just electric cars.
yongjik 8y ago
From what I've heard, Japan has a history of betting big on future technology that ultimately fizzled out - the best example I know of is their Analog HDTV. Hydrogen cars might become another one.
rasz 8y ago
Han system is still alive, just transformed into corporate structures. Samurai does not question, samurai is ready to fall on his sword for the Shogun. Change of direction comes only after transfer of power to the new leader.

mbushey 8y ago

Bribes from the oil industry. Hydrogen (in the context of evs) has always been about disposing of money that otherwise would have gone into battery research.

SllX 8y ago

Toyota. They spent decades researching hydrogen fuel cells and finally brought a car to market with the technology. Their Mirai is essentially a fuel-cell hybrid, where the ICE component has been replaced with a fuel-cell equivalent and the only waste product from the hydrogen fuel is water. All told it is actually pretty cool, and it is nice to see an alternative to pure electric battery-driven drive trains. Ripping up the crust for Lithium isn’t much of an improvement over ripping it up for hydrocarbons, but it might be a century before we collectively agree. “Mirai” by the way, means “future” in Japanese.

rasz 8y ago
Honda also has a quite substantial graveyard of hydrogen cars/concepts.
woodandsteel 8y ago
>Ripping up the crust for Lithium isn’t much of an improvement over ripping it up for hydrocarbons If everyone converted entirely to lithium-ion batteries, the crust would still be ripped up about one millionth as much it is at present for fossil fuels.
- SllX 8y ago
  Not advocating against electric cars so much as for research into more than just electric cars.

yongjik 8y ago

From what I've heard, Japan has a history of betting big on future technology that ultimately fizzled out - the best example I know of is their Analog HDTV. Hydrogen cars might become another one.

rasz 8y ago

Han system is still alive, just transformed into corporate structures. Samurai does not question, samurai is ready to fall on his sword for the Shogun. Change of direction comes only after transfer of power to the new leader.