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Life in Text Mode

77 points by miles 16y ago

vog 16y ago
The title is ambiguous. I expected to see a text mode implementation of Conway's Game of Life. ;-)
BoppreH 16y ago
Why would you do that? I can understand using only the keyboard, because it's faster and easier to automate and whatnot, but giving up on a normal browser just to be "in text mode"? Why not Firefox + Vimperator, for example?
- 1tw 16y ago
  He does use Firefox, for sites that don't work in w3m. My setup on Linux is pretty similar, and I use w3m a fair bit, especially for reading documentation--it's fast, and for text-heavy sites suits me better than a graphical browser. That said, doing without a 'normal' browser entirely seems a bit masochistic/text-obsessive to me too.
- Nick_C 16y ago
  Typically in a tiling window manager you will have a main window open with, say, an editor, and other windows open with man pages or documentation. Sometimes you just want to browse through something that is text, online documentation for example. In a tiling window manager, your browser might be in a window that is, say, only a quarter of the screen's real estate, so you definitely don't want the browser to be filled with cruft like scroll bars or menus. Since the viewport is so small, you want all of it to be "content" and none of it to be "browser". So a text browser makes a lot of sense. I do this all the time, usually with elinks. Mind you, I still have chrome open in a different group (or tab).
  - binomial 16y ago
    Google "uzbl".
wnoise 16y ago
Ugh. procmail is disgusting. Consider maildrop instead (part of the courier mail server suite: http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ )
- SageRaven 16y ago
  Procmail exemplifies the leanness, speed, and precision that all Unix utilities should strive for. That said, I've never used maildrop, being quite smitten with procmail myself. But since the size of maildrop's source distribution is ten times that of procmail, I'll stick with the latter out of principle.
SageRaven 16y ago
Nice to see like-minded folks out there. Like him, I run X mostly for having multiple full-height rxvt+screen sessions (three per virtual desktop). I only use three graphical apps: Firefox, pidgin (grudgingly), and the Qt interface for VirtualBox. The rest are text apps and custom shell scripts for accomplishing tasks in tandem with those apps (such a "find | random | mpg123" for shuffling music directories). I highly recommend "evilwm" for managing such a setup. Its single-pixel window borders with no window decorations is desktop minimalism as its finest. It's also got the lightest memory footprint of all the minimal WMs out there. Windows can be moved, re-sized, and snapped to locations with keystrokes. For fine-tuned placement of regularly-used apps, a simple shell script can be crafted to launch them with the precise geometry you require (or ALT+MOUSE_LEFT to lift the window). I have hot-keys defined (using "xbindkeys") that will populate virtual desktops to exact specifications. My only gripe with this setup is the competition for key chords amongst emacs, screen, and evilwm itself. That, and every once in a while, some web page will throw a Firefox window that I simply cannot close without the "x" screen decoration (at least not without closing Firefox itself -- grrr...).
- njn 16y ago
  I have a similar setup, and love evilwm as well. I haven't run into too many key conflicts, though I do mainly use vi instead of emacs, and tmux instead of screen. I start evilwm with "-mask1 mod4 -mask2 mod4" to bind the meta key to the Windows button. You can do meta-Esc to close those Firefox windows.
- james2vegas 16y ago
  You can't use finch instead of pidgin?
  - njn 16y ago
    finch's sudo-graphical ncurses interface is a little awkward. I know there's an xmpp plugin for irssi, so that might be nicer if you just use GTalk.
    - pyre 16y ago
brian6 16y ago
I was just about to badmouth his tool choices when I noticed that the post is from 2006.
- crazydiamond 16y ago
  what are your updated/better choices ? Thanks. I use links (i/o lynx). And vim.
  - brian6 16y ago
    I think he made a lot of good choices. These days I would pick tmux over screen and newsbeuter over snownews. ion really was a great and influential window manager, but now, it'd probably be better to pick XMonad, awesome, or i3. vimperator has been a lifesaver for me, but I'm switching to luakit because it doesn't seem to allow flash to steal the keyboard focus.
    - crazydiamond 16y ago
      Is luakit a Linux only software, or does it work on OSX, too.
      - sielskr 16y ago
        I saw compiler flags for OSX in the source tarball [1] but to install on OSX probably requires installing from source, and if my experience with using macports to install Conkeror and uzbl is any indication, installing all of the dependencies correctly is likely to be something that requires hours of tedious effort unless one is an expert. The reason for that is that luakit (and Conkeror and probably uzbl) rely on a very large stack of "non-Mac-like" software including the GTK toolkit and the X windowing system. If you can get around in Linux, I would test drive the software on Linux to make sure it is as useful to you as you imagine it to be before doing the work of figuring out how to install it on OSX. I will add that the difficulty of installing relatively unpopular Linux packages on OSX is one of the biggest disadvantages of OSX for me. (The unavailability of laptops in which everything Just Works is of the biggest disadvantages of Linux for me.). I've tentatively given up on relying on software that requires X while I am using OSX: I plan to keep on test-driving such software (on Linux), and if I decide I have got to have access to it, I will switch back to Linux. [1] https://github.com/mason-larobina/luakit/blob/develop/config.mk https://github.com/mason-larobina/luakit/blob/develop/config...
wyclif 16y ago
I've replaced screen with tmux.
- wglb 16y ago
  What are the advantages of tmux? (I have been using screen for persistent sessions on production servers.)
  - pyre 16y ago
    I haven't used tmux, but from some blog posts and the manpage it looks like some are: * Each tmux 'server' (the equivalent of a screen 'session') can exchange windows with another server. * Better support for vertical splitting. * BSD License (this is important to some)
  - cmykgrayscale 16y ago
    http://blog.hawkhost.com/2010/06/28/tmux-the-terminal-multiplexer/ http://blog.hawkhost.com/2010/06/28/tmux-the-terminal-multip...
  - sigil 16y ago
    I still use screen on a few servers but have switched to tmux everywhere else. They're quite similar, but tmux has a number of small advantages that add up. * Better support for panes and splits. Besides vertical splits (which you can get in screen if you're willing to patch), with tmux you can for instance quickly join two existing windows together with a split, break a pane out of a split and into its own window, or arrange panes into a predefined layout. * You also have the ability to name windows, reorder them, swap them, and generally move them around with tmux. * With tmux, activity notifications are persistent and per-window. While screen can monitor windows for activity -- I always monitor one window that runs mutt, and another that runs irssi -- screen notifies you by flashing the caption once, briefly or until a keystroke, and doesn't mark the active window until the caption gets redrawn. This doesn't work so well if you're typing away in your editor window. ;) I got really tired of missing notifications, especially chats. Not an issue anymore with tmux, which immediately marks the active window. * Session sharing works without having to setuid the tmux binary. * Copy mode is mostly the same, but tmux maintains a stack of paste buffers, and keeps a viewable history of everything you've copied. One thing screen has though that tmux still doesn't (afaik) is the ability to copy rectangular blocks of text, not just complete lines. * The scripting / programmatic interface for tmux is much nicer.
thristian 16y ago
Last year my laptop got stolen, and while I shopped for a replacement at work, I had to use my (previously headless) server machine for other tasks at home. Beyond what the linked article discusses, I'll also mention: elinks (http://elinks.or.cz/ http://elinks.or.cz/) is far more featureful than links, w3m or lynx, to the point where it even supports CSS and a little JS. libcaca (http://caca.zoy.org/ http://caca.zoy.org/) comes with an image-viewing tool, "cacaview", which is handy when somebody sends you a picture and you don't have a graphical framebuffer handy.
- asciiphil 16y ago
  The page is a little dated now. I use elinks instead of w3m these days. cacaview is pretty neat-looking, though!
RoyG 16y ago
Good list, but where's ffmpeg? Though I come from the design world, I realized how much speed and power advantage there is in the command line, and spent the time – over several years – learning how to use it. The speed advantage is so apparent in comparison to GUIs, and now Web Apps, but I guess that's the geek appeal;)
- crazydiamond 16y ago
  I use ffmpeg a lot to extract the audio from video's I've downloaded from youtube. Does anyone use any command-line youtube downloaders that still work? I use one written in awk (pete krumins). The others stopped working a while back.
  - brian6 16y ago
    youtube-dl!
crazydiamond 16y ago
Does anyone still use "mc" ? I like vifm (vi-like file manager), although i can't say i fire it up too often. microemacs (jasspa's) has a nice inbuilt file manager (F10).
- warp 16y ago
  Yes, "mc -a" is deeply ingrained into my muscle memory for the specific situation where I need to copy/move a few files out of a directory with lots of other files.
- Teckla 16y ago
  > Does anyone still use "mc" ? Midnight Commander is great! I use it for file management on my wife's iMac (I'm usually ssh'd in, while she uses the console). I also use it to keep her small business web site updated (it supports ftp, which is what my wife's web host uses).
  - vog 16y ago
    > it supports ftp, which is what my wife's web host uses Ouch! By all means, please switch to a protocol of the 21th century! Midnight commander supports secure protocols like SCP or SFTP as well. Also, there's sshfs which allows you to handle the remote directory like a local one without any special features of mc (or KDE or Gnome). However, I don't know whether sshfs is available on the Mac. Anyway, there's hardly any reason to use FTP, unless your hosting provider doesn't care a lot about security.
    - pyre 16y ago
      MacFUSE exists, and sshfs is usually the 'flagship' file system for FUSE, so I would gamble that it exists. It's off-topic, but a few years ago I remember someone creating a bunch of nifty file system plugins to MacFUSE to do things like create a file system that represented the open applications and/or windows on OSX. They seemed to be mostly tech demos, but I found it interesting.
entropie 16y ago
He surely misses mpd. http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki
geoka9 16y ago
Here's what I'd add to this nice list: - emacs-jabber: the best IM client in the world and you can use various "jabber2any" gateways to stay in touch with your "legacy" contacts. emacs-jabber allowed me to get off using pidgin grudgingly :) - ratpoison for managing shell windows under X (and I've heard stumpwm is great, for all you lisp lovers :)) - conkeror (or vimperator) for keyboard-driven web browsing: not character mode, but surely helps a lot when most of your software is. - urxvt (rxvt-unicode). - gnus for mailer: probably. I've heard it's even better than mutt, but I don't use email often enough to warrant the switch yet.
- sigil 16y ago
  "These screenshots are specifically designed to trigger a feverish commitment to stumpwm." http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/screenshot.html http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/screenshot.html
- pyre 16y ago
  > and I've heard stumpwm is great, for all you lisp lovers :) IIRC, the creator of ratpoison is also the creator of stumpwm (though I could be mis-informed). > gnus for mailer: probably. I've heard it's even better than > mutt, but I don't use email often enough to warrant the > switch yet. A couple of years back I tried to get Gnus working, but I ran into: (i) confusing documentation, (ii) not much help through blogs/Google, and (iii) Gnus users on IRC telling me "not to bother" trying to learn Gnus because there were better solutions out there. I've also heard complaints on a number of occasions that Gnus is a dog when trying to load up large mailboxes (and that mutt is better at this).
RexRollman 16y ago
One of my favorite bloggers is K. Mandla, who runs command line only systems on older hardware: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ http://kmandla.wordpress.com/
helmut_hed 16y ago
Love to see posts like this. I've the feeling I'll be happier in keyboard+text land but haven't had the courage to take the leap yet. My favorite use of screen space is a ginormous editor window. If anyone is interested, the October issue of Linux Journal has a pretty good roundup of command-line tools. It should be online soon (first of December?)
cmykgrayscale 16y ago
Another simple yet efficient cli todo is todo.txt http://ginatrapani.github.com/todo.txt-cli/ http://ginatrapani.github.com/todo.txt-cli/ and for all vim users out there, I would highly recommend http://code.google.com/p/vimwiki/ http://code.google.com/p/vimwiki/ which is a portable wiki right inside vim.
hogu 16y ago
If you're an emacs user, why don't you just use org-mode for todo lists?
hogu 16y ago
if anyone's curious, well, I was, So I just started up 30 terminals under awesome wm. I did 30 gnome-terminals, and then 30 xterms, and then 30 urxvts I start out at 150 mb of ram, and then with 30 gnome-terminals I go up to 250. With 30 xterms, I end up at 230. With 30 urxvts, I ended up at around 210 I used htop to measure memory. I've always wondered how much lighter the lighter terminals are, they aren't enough to make me switch, but there you go, there's definitely a difference, since I'm usually at least running 1 graphical we browser(like chrome) that always dominates my memory usage
- SageRaven 16y ago
  Now, try that with different shells and report back to us. ;-) I'm pretty sure that "pdksh" is the smallest (or very close), but I think it's static, so in the context of opening up 30 instances of that shell at once, one of the others (most of which are dynamically linked) might beat it.
WSBOBO 16y ago
I agree with you . ttp://www.braceletpandora.uk.co ttp://www.pandorajewellerymall.uk.co That’s very interting.

77 points by miles 16y ago

vog 16y ago

The title is ambiguous. I expected to see a text mode implementation of Conway's Game of Life. ;-)

Why would you do that? I can understand using only the keyboard, because it's faster and easier to automate and whatnot, but giving up on a normal browser just to be "in text mode"? Why not Firefox + Vimperator, for example?

1tw 16y ago
He does use Firefox, for sites that don't work in w3m. My setup on Linux is pretty similar, and I use w3m a fair bit, especially for reading documentation--it's fast, and for text-heavy sites suits me better than a graphical browser. That said, doing without a 'normal' browser entirely seems a bit masochistic/text-obsessive to me too.
Nick_C 16y ago
Typically in a tiling window manager you will have a main window open with, say, an editor, and other windows open with man pages or documentation. Sometimes you just want to browse through something that is text, online documentation for example. In a tiling window manager, your browser might be in a window that is, say, only a quarter of the screen's real estate, so you definitely don't want the browser to be filled with cruft like scroll bars or menus. Since the viewport is so small, you want all of it to be "content" and none of it to be "browser". So a text browser makes a lot of sense. I do this all the time, usually with elinks. Mind you, I still have chrome open in a different group (or tab).
- binomial 16y ago
  Google "uzbl".

wnoise 16y ago

Ugh. procmail is disgusting. Consider maildrop instead (part of the courier mail server suite: http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ )

SageRaven 16y ago
Procmail exemplifies the leanness, speed, and precision that all Unix utilities should strive for. That said, I've never used maildrop, being quite smitten with procmail myself. But since the size of maildrop's source distribution is ten times that of procmail, I'll stick with the latter out of principle.

SageRaven 16y ago

Nice to see like-minded folks out there. Like him, I run X mostly for having multiple full-height rxvt+screen sessions (three per virtual desktop). I only use three graphical apps: Firefox, pidgin (grudgingly), and the Qt interface for VirtualBox. The rest are text apps and custom shell scripts for accomplishing tasks in tandem with those apps (such a "find | random | mpg123" for shuffling music directories). I highly recommend "evilwm" for managing such a setup. Its single-pixel window borders with no window decorations is desktop minimalism as its finest. It's also got the lightest memory footprint of all the minimal WMs out there. Windows can be moved, re-sized, and snapped to locations with keystrokes. For fine-tuned placement of regularly-used apps, a simple shell script can be crafted to launch them with the precise geometry you require (or ALT+MOUSE_LEFT to lift the window). I have hot-keys defined (using "xbindkeys") that will populate virtual desktops to exact specifications. My only gripe with this setup is the competition for key chords amongst emacs, screen, and evilwm itself. That, and every once in a while, some web page will throw a Firefox window that I simply cannot close without the "x" screen decoration (at least not without closing Firefox itself -- grrr...).

njn 16y ago
I have a similar setup, and love evilwm as well. I haven't run into too many key conflicts, though I do mainly use vi instead of emacs, and tmux instead of screen. I start evilwm with "-mask1 mod4 -mask2 mod4" to bind the meta key to the Windows button. You can do meta-Esc to close those Firefox windows.
james2vegas 16y ago
You can't use finch instead of pidgin?
- njn 16y ago
  finch's sudo-graphical ncurses interface is a little awkward. I know there's an xmpp plugin for irssi, so that might be nicer if you just use GTalk.
  - pyre 16y ago

brian6 16y ago

I was just about to badmouth his tool choices when I noticed that the post is from 2006.

crazydiamond 16y ago
what are your updated/better choices ? Thanks. I use links (i/o lynx). And vim.
- brian6 16y ago
  I think he made a lot of good choices. These days I would pick tmux over screen and newsbeuter over snownews. ion really was a great and influential window manager, but now, it'd probably be better to pick XMonad, awesome, or i3. vimperator has been a lifesaver for me, but I'm switching to luakit because it doesn't seem to allow flash to steal the keyboard focus.
  - crazydiamond 16y ago
    Is luakit a Linux only software, or does it work on OSX, too.
    - sielskr 16y ago
      I saw compiler flags for OSX in the source tarball [1] but to install on OSX probably requires installing from source, and if my experience with using macports to install Conkeror and uzbl is any indication, installing all of the dependencies correctly is likely to be something that requires hours of tedious effort unless one is an expert. The reason for that is that luakit (and Conkeror and probably uzbl) rely on a very large stack of "non-Mac-like" software including the GTK toolkit and the X windowing system. If you can get around in Linux, I would test drive the software on Linux to make sure it is as useful to you as you imagine it to be before doing the work of figuring out how to install it on OSX. I will add that the difficulty of installing relatively unpopular Linux packages on OSX is one of the biggest disadvantages of OSX for me. (The unavailability of laptops in which everything Just Works is of the biggest disadvantages of Linux for me.). I've tentatively given up on relying on software that requires X while I am using OSX: I plan to keep on test-driving such software (on Linux), and if I decide I have got to have access to it, I will switch back to Linux. [1] https://github.com/mason-larobina/luakit/blob/develop/config.mk https://github.com/mason-larobina/luakit/blob/develop/config...

wyclif 16y ago

I've replaced screen with tmux.

wglb 16y ago
What are the advantages of tmux? (I have been using screen for persistent sessions on production servers.)
- pyre 16y ago
  I haven't used tmux, but from some blog posts and the manpage it looks like some are: * Each tmux 'server' (the equivalent of a screen 'session') can exchange windows with another server. * Better support for vertical splitting. * BSD License (this is important to some)
- cmykgrayscale 16y ago
  http://blog.hawkhost.com/2010/06/28/tmux-the-terminal-multiplexer/ http://blog.hawkhost.com/2010/06/28/tmux-the-terminal-multip...
- sigil 16y ago
  I still use screen on a few servers but have switched to tmux everywhere else. They're quite similar, but tmux has a number of small advantages that add up. * Better support for panes and splits. Besides vertical splits (which you can get in screen if you're willing to patch), with tmux you can for instance quickly join two existing windows together with a split, break a pane out of a split and into its own window, or arrange panes into a predefined layout. * You also have the ability to name windows, reorder them, swap them, and generally move them around with tmux. * With tmux, activity notifications are persistent and per-window. While screen can monitor windows for activity -- I always monitor one window that runs mutt, and another that runs irssi -- screen notifies you by flashing the caption once, briefly or until a keystroke, and doesn't mark the active window until the caption gets redrawn. This doesn't work so well if you're typing away in your editor window. ;) I got really tired of missing notifications, especially chats. Not an issue anymore with tmux, which immediately marks the active window. * Session sharing works without having to setuid the tmux binary. * Copy mode is mostly the same, but tmux maintains a stack of paste buffers, and keeps a viewable history of everything you've copied. One thing screen has though that tmux still doesn't (afaik) is the ability to copy rectangular blocks of text, not just complete lines. * The scripting / programmatic interface for tmux is much nicer.

thristian 16y ago

Last year my laptop got stolen, and while I shopped for a replacement at work, I had to use my (previously headless) server machine for other tasks at home. Beyond what the linked article discusses, I'll also mention: elinks (http://elinks.or.cz/ http://elinks.or.cz/) is far more featureful than links, w3m or lynx, to the point where it even supports CSS and a little JS. libcaca (http://caca.zoy.org/ http://caca.zoy.org/) comes with an image-viewing tool, "cacaview", which is handy when somebody sends you a picture and you don't have a graphical framebuffer handy.

asciiphil 16y ago
The page is a little dated now. I use elinks instead of w3m these days. cacaview is pretty neat-looking, though!

RoyG 16y ago

Good list, but where's ffmpeg? Though I come from the design world, I realized how much speed and power advantage there is in the command line, and spent the time – over several years – learning how to use it. The speed advantage is so apparent in comparison to GUIs, and now Web Apps, but I guess that's the geek appeal;)

crazydiamond 16y ago
I use ffmpeg a lot to extract the audio from video's I've downloaded from youtube. Does anyone use any command-line youtube downloaders that still work? I use one written in awk (pete krumins). The others stopped working a while back.
- brian6 16y ago
  youtube-dl!

crazydiamond 16y ago

Does anyone still use "mc" ? I like vifm (vi-like file manager), although i can't say i fire it up too often. microemacs (jasspa's) has a nice inbuilt file manager (F10).

warp 16y ago
Yes, "mc -a" is deeply ingrained into my muscle memory for the specific situation where I need to copy/move a few files out of a directory with lots of other files.
Teckla 16y ago
> Does anyone still use "mc" ? Midnight Commander is great! I use it for file management on my wife's iMac (I'm usually ssh'd in, while she uses the console). I also use it to keep her small business web site updated (it supports ftp, which is what my wife's web host uses).
- vog 16y ago
  > it supports ftp, which is what my wife's web host uses Ouch! By all means, please switch to a protocol of the 21th century! Midnight commander supports secure protocols like SCP or SFTP as well. Also, there's sshfs which allows you to handle the remote directory like a local one without any special features of mc (or KDE or Gnome). However, I don't know whether sshfs is available on the Mac. Anyway, there's hardly any reason to use FTP, unless your hosting provider doesn't care a lot about security.
  - pyre 16y ago
    MacFUSE exists, and sshfs is usually the 'flagship' file system for FUSE, so I would gamble that it exists. It's off-topic, but a few years ago I remember someone creating a bunch of nifty file system plugins to MacFUSE to do things like create a file system that represented the open applications and/or windows on OSX. They seemed to be mostly tech demos, but I found it interesting.

entropie 16y ago

He surely misses mpd. http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki

geoka9 16y ago

Here's what I'd add to this nice list: - emacs-jabber: the best IM client in the world and you can use various "jabber2any" gateways to stay in touch with your "legacy" contacts. emacs-jabber allowed me to get off using pidgin grudgingly :) - ratpoison for managing shell windows under X (and I've heard stumpwm is great, for all you lisp lovers :)) - conkeror (or vimperator) for keyboard-driven web browsing: not character mode, but surely helps a lot when most of your software is. - urxvt (rxvt-unicode). - gnus for mailer: probably. I've heard it's even better than mutt, but I don't use email often enough to warrant the switch yet.

sigil 16y ago
"These screenshots are specifically designed to trigger a feverish commitment to stumpwm." http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/screenshot.html http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/screenshot.html
pyre 16y ago
> and I've heard stumpwm is great, for all you lisp lovers :) IIRC, the creator of ratpoison is also the creator of stumpwm (though I could be mis-informed). > gnus for mailer: probably. I've heard it's even better than > mutt, but I don't use email often enough to warrant the > switch yet. A couple of years back I tried to get Gnus working, but I ran into: (i) confusing documentation, (ii) not much help through blogs/Google, and (iii) Gnus users on IRC telling me "not to bother" trying to learn Gnus because there were better solutions out there. I've also heard complaints on a number of occasions that Gnus is a dog when trying to load up large mailboxes (and that mutt is better at this).

RexRollman 16y ago

One of my favorite bloggers is K. Mandla, who runs command line only systems on older hardware: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ http://kmandla.wordpress.com/

helmut_hed 16y ago

Love to see posts like this. I've the feeling I'll be happier in keyboard+text land but haven't had the courage to take the leap yet. My favorite use of screen space is a ginormous editor window. If anyone is interested, the October issue of Linux Journal has a pretty good roundup of command-line tools. It should be online soon (first of December?)

cmykgrayscale 16y ago

Another simple yet efficient cli todo is todo.txt http://ginatrapani.github.com/todo.txt-cli/ http://ginatrapani.github.com/todo.txt-cli/ and for all vim users out there, I would highly recommend http://code.google.com/p/vimwiki/ http://code.google.com/p/vimwiki/ which is a portable wiki right inside vim.

hogu 16y ago

If you're an emacs user, why don't you just use org-mode for todo lists?

hogu 16y ago

if anyone's curious, well, I was, So I just started up 30 terminals under awesome wm. I did 30 gnome-terminals, and then 30 xterms, and then 30 urxvts I start out at 150 mb of ram, and then with 30 gnome-terminals I go up to 250. With 30 xterms, I end up at 230. With 30 urxvts, I ended up at around 210 I used htop to measure memory. I've always wondered how much lighter the lighter terminals are, they aren't enough to make me switch, but there you go, there's definitely a difference, since I'm usually at least running 1 graphical we browser(like chrome) that always dominates my memory usage

SageRaven 16y ago
Now, try that with different shells and report back to us. ;-) I'm pretty sure that "pdksh" is the smallest (or very close), but I think it's static, so in the context of opening up 30 instances of that shell at once, one of the others (most of which are dynamically linked) might beat it.

WSBOBO 16y ago

I agree with you . ttp://www.braceletpandora.uk.co ttp://www.pandorajewellerymall.uk.co That’s very interting.