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I think the most basic of observations can feel extremely profound while on hallucinogenics in that they might set off a cascade of ideas and recognitions that

I think the most basic of observations can feel extremely profound while on hallucinogenics in that they might set off a cascade of ideas and recognitions that make the world feel more intimate. A phrase such as "the water is wet" could've been akin to an input to a particular function that unlocked a slew of realizations. Possibly.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
I could buy that. What I've found is that a lot of the most fundamental truths of the universe are really simple. So simple, they can often be expressed as, or nearly as, tautologies. Here's one for karma: if you put good into the world, there will be good in the world.
lostmsu 8y ago
Any specific realizations, that are unlike "water is wet", that came to you or your friends on drugs?
- byproxy 8y ago
  I wasn't speaking of my specific experience[], rather I was guessing what might lead to profound moments while under the influence. "Water is wet" isn't the realization in what I'm hypothesizing, but could be a spark of an idea that sets of a chain reaction of tangentially related concepts that seem to make a whole lot of sense as a whole and impart feelings of great beauty to one who is high and might inspire that person to write down the "big bang" of their experience, if you will. So, someone writing "water is wet" is writing the map, not the treasure. Maybe? []I've done mushrooms once and it was mostly a horrifying, traumatic experience. The drive home during sunrise with my car's radio set to the local classical station playing choral music felt particularly affecting, though.
  - lostmsu 8y ago
    > seem to make a whole lot of sense Sounds like its similar to experience of being drunk then. E.g. you get a bunch of unrelated uninteresting ideas, that seem impressive to you, because the part of the brain, that is responsible for filtering bullshit is off/operating poorly.
    - byproxy 8y ago
      Maybe!
- pwm 8y ago
  from Bill Hicks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7QgOSmco4&t=87s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7QgOSmco4&t=87s

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

I could buy that. What I've found is that a lot of the most fundamental truths of the universe are really simple. So simple, they can often be expressed as, or nearly as, tautologies. Here's one for karma: if you put good into the world, there will be good in the world.

lostmsu 8y ago

Any specific realizations, that are unlike "water is wet", that came to you or your friends on drugs?

byproxy 8y ago
I wasn't speaking of my specific experience[], rather I was guessing what might lead to profound moments while under the influence. "Water is wet" isn't the realization in what I'm hypothesizing, but could be a spark of an idea that sets of a chain reaction of tangentially related concepts that seem to make a whole lot of sense as a whole and impart feelings of great beauty to one who is high and might inspire that person to write down the "big bang" of their experience, if you will. So, someone writing "water is wet" is writing the map, not the treasure. Maybe? []I've done mushrooms once and it was mostly a horrifying, traumatic experience. The drive home during sunrise with my car's radio set to the local classical station playing choral music felt particularly affecting, though.
- lostmsu 8y ago
  > seem to make a whole lot of sense Sounds like its similar to experience of being drunk then. E.g. you get a bunch of unrelated uninteresting ideas, that seem impressive to you, because the part of the brain, that is responsible for filtering bullshit is off/operating poorly.
  - byproxy 8y ago
    Maybe!
pwm 8y ago
from Bill Hicks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7QgOSmco4&t=87s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7QgOSmco4&t=87s