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> Our bodies evolved to make us omnivores, I don't see why we should restrain ourselves to such extent. How is this not just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natu
by seanwilson 8y ago
> Our bodies evolved to make us omnivores, I don't see why we should restrain ourselves to such extent.
How is this not just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy?
> What we need is moderation and sustainable means of production. This is clearly misaligned with our current lifestyles though. [0]
> In a few generations we went from "meat/fish is a once in a week delicacy" to "cheap meat at every single meal" (see the so called "meat lovers" thinking they're entitled to 2 pounds of bacon a day).
This seems to agree with you:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-red...
> Food production already causes great damage to the environment, via greenhouse gases from livestock, deforestation and water shortages from farming, and vast ocean dead zones from agricultural pollution. But without action, its impact will get far worse as the world population rises by 2.3 billion people by 2050 and global income triples, enabling more people to eat meat-rich western diets.
> The researchers found a global shift to a “flexitarian” diet was needed to keep climate change even under 2C, let alone 1.5C. This flexitarian diet means the average world citizen needs to eat 75% less beef, 90% less pork and half the number of eggs, while tripling consumption of beans and pulses and quadrupling nuts and seeds. This would halve emissions from livestock and better management of manure would enable further cuts.
- lm28469 8y ago> How is this not just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy? > The naturalistic fallacy is the idea that what is found in nature is good. My phrasing wasn't the best, but I'm not taking any moral ("what is good") stands here. If we can solve all the issues with moderate and sustainable meat/fish/eggs/dairy consumption, or even vegetarianism, I fail to see the appeal going the extra mile and going full vegan (unless we go into a moral argument but I don't think it's the point here), knowing that it most likely requires closer monitoring for deficiency. I might be wrong, but to me it seems to be the path of least resistance. I don't have time to look into it longer, but typing "enough resources for vegan world" in google gives me these. Either I chose very poor keywords, or veganism isn't the messiah that'll save us all. I tend to think that moderation is the key in pretty much any domain. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/aug/16/veganism-not-key-sustainable-development-natural-resources-jimmy-smith https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/aug/16/v... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/25/veganism-intensively-farmed-meat-dairy-soya-maize https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/25/vegani... https://www.businessinsider.de/veganism-may-be-unsustainable-in-the-future-according-to-new-research-2018-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.de/veganism-may-be-unsustainable... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/vegan-diet-everyone-us-follow-health-impact-meat-nutrients-deficit-supply-scientists-study-a8064981.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/vegan-diet-everyone-us-follow-health-impact-meat-nutrients-deficit-supply-scientists-study-a8064981.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families...
- seanwilson 8y agoI'm not advocating only veganism but I think what you wrote was a nice summary: > In a few generations we went from "meat/fish is a once in a week delicacy" to "cheap meat at every single meal" (see the so called "meat lovers" thinking they're entitled to 2 pounds of bacon a day).