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I would assume ABET certified programs would have certain standards or requirements regarding he schools’ curriculums.

by gyc 8y ago

harias 8y ago
There are 5 Universities in India with ABET certified courses. None rank among the top 30 in the nation.
mattkrause 8y ago
I’m not sure how much value I would ascribe to a certification that is held by DeVry University, but not the computer science departments of Stanford, Yale, or Princeton. This annoys me to no end, since ABET is used to gate certain federal jobs and the Patent Bar, even in Computer Science.
- mywittyname 8y ago
  The purpose of ABET accreditation is to ensure that students are prepared to take the fundamentals of engineering exam. Hardly any CS grads take the exam because it doesn't help you get a job. So it's not a big deal that their CS departments aren't accredited. However, every school you listed is ABET accredited in other engineering disciplines (mechanical, chemical, civil, electrical). So ABET-accreditation is important to some fields.
  - mattkrause 8y ago
    It's not a huge deal, but it's not entirely trivial either. I don't want to be too elitist, but where would you like to recruit reviewers for your computer-related patents from: DeVry Tech or Stanford? Do you really want to actively exclude Princeton and Yale grads from working on software that runs the government? I get the appeal of having a standardized 'seal of approval', but for Computer Science, ABET is clearly not that. It looks like several other disciplines are also moving away from ABET (e.g., https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i48/time-leave-behind-chemical-engineering.html https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i48/time-leave-behind-chemic...)
    - jki275 8y ago
      I've never seen a government requirement for ABET accreditation for CS degrees.
      - mattkrause 8y ago
        From the eligibility requirements for the patent agent exam: Acceptable Computer Science degrees must be accredited by the Computer Science Accreditation Commission (CSAC) of the Computing Sciences Accreditation Board (CSAB), or by the Computing Accreditation Commission (CAC) of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET), on or before the date the degree was awarded. Computer science degrees that are accredited may be found on the Internet (http://www.abet.org http://www.abet.org). [page 6 of this pdf: https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/OED_GRB.pdf https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/OED_GRB....] A lot of fed jobs have engineering-centric requirements. This one, for example, wants an accredited degree or experience under a PE....to do network management. https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/525193800 https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/525193800
jldugger 8y ago
Typically CS programs offer a degree track that is ABET accredited, and a few other different options for students with different needs or desires.

I would assume ABET certified programs would have certain standards or requirements regarding he schools’ curriculums.

by gyc 8y ago

I would assume ABET certified programs would have certain standards or requirements regarding he schools’ curriculums.

harias 8y ago

There are 5 Universities in India with ABET certified courses. None rank among the top 30 in the nation.

mattkrause 8y ago

I’m not sure how much value I would ascribe to a certification that is held by DeVry University, but not the computer science departments of Stanford, Yale, or Princeton. This annoys me to no end, since ABET is used to gate certain federal jobs and the Patent Bar, even in Computer Science.

mywittyname 8y ago
The purpose of ABET accreditation is to ensure that students are prepared to take the fundamentals of engineering exam. Hardly any CS grads take the exam because it doesn't help you get a job. So it's not a big deal that their CS departments aren't accredited. However, every school you listed is ABET accredited in other engineering disciplines (mechanical, chemical, civil, electrical). So ABET-accreditation is important to some fields.
- mattkrause 8y ago
  It's not a huge deal, but it's not entirely trivial either. I don't want to be too elitist, but where would you like to recruit reviewers for your computer-related patents from: DeVry Tech or Stanford? Do you really want to actively exclude Princeton and Yale grads from working on software that runs the government? I get the appeal of having a standardized 'seal of approval', but for Computer Science, ABET is clearly not that. It looks like several other disciplines are also moving away from ABET (e.g., https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i48/time-leave-behind-chemical-engineering.html https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i48/time-leave-behind-chemic...)
  - jki275 8y ago
    I've never seen a government requirement for ABET accreditation for CS degrees.
    - mattkrause 8y ago
      From the eligibility requirements for the patent agent exam: Acceptable Computer Science degrees must be accredited by the Computer Science Accreditation Commission (CSAC) of the Computing Sciences Accreditation Board (CSAB), or by the Computing Accreditation Commission (CAC) of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET), on or before the date the degree was awarded. Computer science degrees that are accredited may be found on the Internet (http://www.abet.org http://www.abet.org). [page 6 of this pdf: https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/OED_GRB.pdf https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/OED_GRB....] A lot of fed jobs have engineering-centric requirements. This one, for example, wants an accredited degree or experience under a PE....to do network management. https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/525193800 https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/525193800

jldugger 8y ago

Typically CS programs offer a degree track that is ABET accredited, and a few other different options for students with different needs or desires.