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Quick summary of the thread for those joining us * This looks like a neat tool. Will check this out and compare it to DataGrip, Dbeaver etc. * It's electron.

Quick summary of the thread for those joining us * This looks like a neat tool. Will check this out and compare it to DataGrip, Dbeaver etc. * It's electron. This is terrible. * There's analytics code in there. This is terrible.

switch007 8y ago
Azure Data Studio also stores your credentials in plaintext if you tick 'Remember' (on Linux at least – it does not use the system keychains)
- vetinari 8y ago
  It also supports GSSAPI out of the box, unlike java-based alternatives (at least under linux, where java doesn't support ccache other than FILE, and under macos, where java needs monkeying with java.login.config).
- SamuelAdams 8y ago
  Please report an issue here: https://github.com/Microsoft/azuredatastudio/issues https://github.com/Microsoft/azuredatastudio/issues
  - switch007 8y ago
    There is one already — as a feature request to implement keychains.
- datavirtue 8y ago
  In secure home directory.
GordonS 8y ago
> There's analytics code in there. This is terrible Sorry, this is another point I disagree with. As a developer I can appreciate the need to understand how an application is used, and to get diagnostic data when things go wrong. What is terrible is when you can't opt-out of telemetry, and when what is sent is completely opaque - that's not the case here.
GordonS 8y ago
The Electron-hating is getting a bit tired and predictable - yes, it's very easy to create Electron apps that perform terribly (e.g. Slack), but it's also possible to create performant, cross-platform apps. Microsoft's VS Code is a good example - I've also been using Azure Data Studio for SQL Server for a while now, and have found it to be performant, extensible and nice to work with (it's surplanted SSMS for me). I've been hoping Microsoft would add Postgres support to Data Studio for a while, so I'm very pleased to see this.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Microsoft's VS Code is a good example, when compared against other Electron apps. When compared against native applications, not at all. I use it sometimes, because I have to, that is all.
  - GordonS 8y ago
    > When compared against native applications, not at all I disagree. Compared to Visual Studio, for example, VS Coe flies. I realise they have very different feature sets though, so it might not be the best comparison - but I even switched from a native Windows text editor (Notepad2) to VS Code because startup time is almost as fast as Notepad2, and in-use it's just as performant (sometimes moreso, such as regex on a large file) but with far more features. And it's cross-platform, so I can use the same VS Code I'm used to on Windows and my MBP.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Naturally it is not the best comparison, I would be really impressed to see VS Code fly with all the capabilities that VS has to offer. Notepad++ and Sublime are instantaneous versus VSCode.
      - dagw 8y ago
        Don't have Sublime installed, but just tested VSCode vs Notepad++ on my computer. While Notepad++ was, maybe, half a second faster opening to a empty text file than VSCode, VSCode was a couple of seconds faster opening a large SQL file.
tyfon 8y ago
Yep, electron and analytics code is a no go for me. The analytics is especially bad as it would compromise what I do at work. Since I have to work with both postgres and ms sql on a daily basis I'm usually doing the database things in Dbeaver and move the code over to R/Python when I'm happy with the sql code.
- oblio 8y ago
  > The analytics is especially bad as it would compromise what I do at work. You can disable the analytics with one line of config.
  - kgwxd 8y ago
    Maybe. And after the next update, you'll have to make sure it's still set that way, and that they haven't added a new telemetry option that might do what it says.
    - oblio 8y ago
      I've been using VS Code, that does the same thing. From what I see the same option has been working the same way since they added it.
- jsmeaton 8y ago
  How does it compromise what you do at work?

switch007 8y ago

Azure Data Studio also stores your credentials in plaintext if you tick 'Remember' (on Linux at least – it does not use the system keychains)

vetinari 8y ago
It also supports GSSAPI out of the box, unlike java-based alternatives (at least under linux, where java doesn't support ccache other than FILE, and under macos, where java needs monkeying with java.login.config).
SamuelAdams 8y ago
Please report an issue here: https://github.com/Microsoft/azuredatastudio/issues https://github.com/Microsoft/azuredatastudio/issues
- switch007 8y ago
  There is one already — as a feature request to implement keychains.
datavirtue 8y ago
In secure home directory.

GordonS 8y ago

> There's analytics code in there. This is terrible Sorry, this is another point I disagree with. As a developer I can appreciate the need to understand how an application is used, and to get diagnostic data when things go wrong. What is terrible is when you can't opt-out of telemetry, and when what is sent is completely opaque - that's not the case here.

GordonS 8y ago

The Electron-hating is getting a bit tired and predictable - yes, it's very easy to create Electron apps that perform terribly (e.g. Slack), but it's also possible to create performant, cross-platform apps. Microsoft's VS Code is a good example - I've also been using Azure Data Studio for SQL Server for a while now, and have found it to be performant, extensible and nice to work with (it's surplanted SSMS for me). I've been hoping Microsoft would add Postgres support to Data Studio for a while, so I'm very pleased to see this.

pjmlp 8y ago
Microsoft's VS Code is a good example, when compared against other Electron apps. When compared against native applications, not at all. I use it sometimes, because I have to, that is all.
- GordonS 8y ago
  > When compared against native applications, not at all I disagree. Compared to Visual Studio, for example, VS Coe flies. I realise they have very different feature sets though, so it might not be the best comparison - but I even switched from a native Windows text editor (Notepad2) to VS Code because startup time is almost as fast as Notepad2, and in-use it's just as performant (sometimes moreso, such as regex on a large file) but with far more features. And it's cross-platform, so I can use the same VS Code I'm used to on Windows and my MBP.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Naturally it is not the best comparison, I would be really impressed to see VS Code fly with all the capabilities that VS has to offer. Notepad++ and Sublime are instantaneous versus VSCode.
    - dagw 8y ago
      Don't have Sublime installed, but just tested VSCode vs Notepad++ on my computer. While Notepad++ was, maybe, half a second faster opening to a empty text file than VSCode, VSCode was a couple of seconds faster opening a large SQL file.

tyfon 8y ago

Yep, electron and analytics code is a no go for me. The analytics is especially bad as it would compromise what I do at work. Since I have to work with both postgres and ms sql on a daily basis I'm usually doing the database things in Dbeaver and move the code over to R/Python when I'm happy with the sql code.

oblio 8y ago
> The analytics is especially bad as it would compromise what I do at work. You can disable the analytics with one line of config.
- kgwxd 8y ago
  Maybe. And after the next update, you'll have to make sure it's still set that way, and that they haven't added a new telemetry option that might do what it says.
  - oblio 8y ago
    I've been using VS Code, that does the same thing. From what I see the same option has been working the same way since they added it.
jsmeaton 8y ago
How does it compromise what you do at work?