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That is even more unreasonable, culture is constantly produced and changed, there isn't a "local culture" to assimilate to and a culture is richer the more dive
by fabianhjr 8y ago
That is even more unreasonable, culture is constantly produced and changed, there isn't a "local culture" to assimilate to and a culture is richer the more diverse and exploratory it is.
On the other hand if you are using "culture" as a proxy for "they don't behave like us the colonizers of New Zealand" it is even worse. < https://www.wikiwand.com/en/M%C4%81ori_people https://www.wikiwand.com/en/M%C4%81ori_people >
- masonic 8y agoculture is constantly produced and changed, there isn't a "local culture" That's a mindset that the Maori, like many other Aboriginal peoples, have already suffered.
- fabianhjr 8y agoThat statement isn't meant as to say that people don't have or produce culture, specially first nations. Instead it is a statement about the non-locality of culture. (In the lines of https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Deterritorialization https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Deterritorialization) Even more, the attack on first nations have been mostly on economic aspects, mainly the land trough colonization. (See Mariategui Seven Essays on the Peruvian Reality, specifically the third essay https://www.marxists.org/archive/mariateg/works/7-interpretive-essays/essay03.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/mariateg/works/7-interpreti..., original in spanish: http://resistir.info/livros/mariategui_7_ensayos.pdf http://resistir.info/livros/mariategui_7_ensayos.pdf ) The Maori culture is maintained by Maori people engaging in culture not merely by a museum exposing "the Maori cultre" and a society disenfranchizing Maori.
- tomp 8y agoI’m using “culture” to mean “respect of democrcy, women and rule of (national, not religious) law”. Obviously some cultures are better than others (in my and many other people’s value system) - do you prefer to live in NZ or Saudi Arabia?
- pavlov 8y agoI would rather live in Saudi Arabia today than as a Maori in NZ 50 years ago. “Ah, but that was then, minorities have it better now.” So the culture (by your definition) has changed then? Perhaps thanks to immigration and globalization?
- tomp 8y agoProbably not by immigration by folks with reactionary dogmatic non-democratic beliefs... Look, the very simple fact is, religions stand in stark contrast to the liberal, enlightened Western democratic beliefs. Once the religion gets watered down enough (like mainstream Judaism and Christianity) so that it's nothing more but a set of sayings, it becomes (barely) compatible with the liberal society, but the more hardcore the beliefs (Orthodox Jews, Amish, Islam), the more problems they cause (violence, oppression of women, opposition to vaccination, etc).
- pavlov 8y agoYou're posting this in a thread which commemorates a deceased person who seems to have been the exact opposite of everything you write about. He was gunned down while practicing his religion. Yet we're supposed to believe that his religion is the problem here.
- erklik 8y agoYet we have an example of a man practising his religion and living completely ( seemingly ) compatible with the liberal society until he was gunned down. However, you are now saying that it's actually his religion that's the problem.
- dang 8y agoReligious flamewar is not welcome on Hacker News. Please do not post like this here again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: your account has recently been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That's a wrong turn on this site. Please correct it. This is in the guidelines as well.