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Is there an actual organised white supremacist movement behind incidents like this? As I understand it, ISIS has a logistical presence and can provide weapons
by solidsnack9000 8y ago
Is there an actual organised white supremacist movement behind incidents like this?
As I understand it, ISIS has a logistical presence and can provide weapons and training as well as ideology. Is something similar happening with attackers like this, too?
- Barrin92 8y agoI doubt there is (although people like Breivik seemed to at least claim to be connected to some sort of "knights templar" conspiracy community), but even if these people are organised only loosely, the platforms they are on still function as echo chambers were they continously gin each other up. So I think OPs point is still very much valid. When we see isis terrorism or extremism we dismantle their organisations, put the full weight of our intelligence agencies behind it, and hound them to the other end of the world, as we should. But when we encounter extremism and terrorism in our very own communities, we let them joke about it on 4chan and reddit. There is something very wrong about that indifference.
- int_19h 8y agoWe didn't go after ISIS because of the things they talked about, but because of specific crimes they committed as an entity, or conspired to commit. And we didn't go after people that share their religion with ISIS (i.e. Salafi extremists), but are not otherwise involved with it, or at least we can't prove that they are.
- solidsnack9000 8y agoWhat do you think is the reason counter-terror forces aren't moving quickly to address white supremacists?
- erklik 8y agoLess experience? I mean until now, white supremacist terrorist attacks haven't been at the forefront of counter-terror forces. Why that may be? is another question altogether.
- solidsnack9000 8y agoWhat do you mean by "at the forefront of counter-terror forces"? Like, they haven't been the most serious threat? Or are a strange new threat?
- erklik 8y agoEssentially not considered that serious.
- jtmb 8y agoAs I understand it, white supremacists and fellow travelers organize in looser groups than ISIS as an entity. The term Scripted Violence, or Stochastic Terrorism are the terms I've heard, for messaging and ideology that repeatedly creates "lone wolves" with similar views and goals.
- toofy 8y ago> Is there an actual organised white supremacist movement behind incidents like this? I'd have to double check, but I'm not sure that all isis terrorist attacks were done by people who had physically met another isis member--I was under the impression that a number of them were just inspired by propaganda online, similar to so many of the far-right attacks we've seen over the past couple of years.
- kaitai 8y agoThat's right. There was eventually an effort to inspire and give instructions "lone-wolf" attacks, so that a central organization couldn't be targeted. This is what white supremacists and nationalists are doing today, as it was quite successful for ISIS.