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How would you suggest doing that exactly? alQuaeda/ISIS = External threats where you can put the blame on a specific area of the world, then promote war politi

How would you suggest doing that exactly? alQuaeda/ISIS = External threats where you can put the blame on a specific area of the world, then promote war politics. I'd be curious to hear your opinion on how effective post 9/11 politics were in that manner. It's not like evil was eradicated, plus the collateral damage. Is there a factory that make white supremacists where we should drop bombs? Beware of the slippery road to define that "factory", also.

Taniwha 8y ago
I think that's kind of the point of my rather tongue in cheek follow up below We will have to keep an eye on this very dangerous part of our population in the future, we'll start by denying them access to the worst sorts of weapons so they can't be so dangerous in the future.
- alexandre_m 8y ago
  When you say "denying them access to the worst sorts of weapons", are you proposing that certain group can keep their rights of access while others cannot? How can you really apply that in an objective manner? Or perhaps you mean in a broader sense remove them access to all kind of platforms to not spread hateful messages? Those are dangerous discriminatory power to give, as today it might target your opponents and tomorrow yourself. The reason I bring this up is not because I care about white supremacists per se, but because it's a tool to start applying "hate speaches" politics, where hate is itself very subjective and too often interpreted as "things I don't like to hear".
  - lostlogin 8y ago
    We are changing our gun laws here in NZ and likely doing it this week, although what that change looks like isn’t clear to me. https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/385081/christchurch-terror-attacks-firearms-law-changes-today-or-tomorrow https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/385081/christchurch...
  - Taniwha 8y ago
    No one needs a semiautomatic, there are plenty of other ways to make your penis seem longer, we'll remove them from our society. I hope we also start licensing firearms rather than just owners so we can detect people who are stockpiling them, personally I don't see a need for owning a weapon if you're not hunting, maybe we'll require them to bring in a couple of deer tails into the local police station if they want to keep their licensed.
    - int_19h 8y ago
      And here comes the body shaming. Because God forbid we talk about someone we don't like, without trying to denigrate them in this way.
jimjimjim 8y ago
these days the word slippery seems to be a code word for "do nothing".
- cabaalis 8y ago
  This is because government does not have the right to punish people by association. It's an unfortunate consequence of freedom principles: Bad things can happen, and you can work to prevent bad things from happening, but you must be extremely judicious in how you do so or you fall into tyranny. So very often the only thing to actually do is punish those responsible for bad things, sadly after the bad thing has already occurred.

Taniwha 8y ago

I think that's kind of the point of my rather tongue in cheek follow up below We will have to keep an eye on this very dangerous part of our population in the future, we'll start by denying them access to the worst sorts of weapons so they can't be so dangerous in the future.

alexandre_m 8y ago
When you say "denying them access to the worst sorts of weapons", are you proposing that certain group can keep their rights of access while others cannot? How can you really apply that in an objective manner? Or perhaps you mean in a broader sense remove them access to all kind of platforms to not spread hateful messages? Those are dangerous discriminatory power to give, as today it might target your opponents and tomorrow yourself. The reason I bring this up is not because I care about white supremacists per se, but because it's a tool to start applying "hate speaches" politics, where hate is itself very subjective and too often interpreted as "things I don't like to hear".
- lostlogin 8y ago
  We are changing our gun laws here in NZ and likely doing it this week, although what that change looks like isn’t clear to me. https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/385081/christchurch-terror-attacks-firearms-law-changes-today-or-tomorrow https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/385081/christchurch...
- Taniwha 8y ago
  No one needs a semiautomatic, there are plenty of other ways to make your penis seem longer, we'll remove them from our society. I hope we also start licensing firearms rather than just owners so we can detect people who are stockpiling them, personally I don't see a need for owning a weapon if you're not hunting, maybe we'll require them to bring in a couple of deer tails into the local police station if they want to keep their licensed.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    And here comes the body shaming. Because God forbid we talk about someone we don't like, without trying to denigrate them in this way.

jimjimjim 8y ago

these days the word slippery seems to be a code word for "do nothing".

cabaalis 8y ago
This is because government does not have the right to punish people by association. It's an unfortunate consequence of freedom principles: Bad things can happen, and you can work to prevent bad things from happening, but you must be extremely judicious in how you do so or you fall into tyranny. So very often the only thing to actually do is punish those responsible for bad things, sadly after the bad thing has already occurred.