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Lets not think about this atrocity on terms or left or right. Such horrible acts were made in the name of both ideology wings.

mcphage 8y ago
> Such horrible acts were made in the name of both ideology wings. Not in 2018. I wonder about 2017, or 2016? If we close our eyes to what this is, we’ll never be able to stop it.
gnat 8y ago
> Such horrible acts were made in the name of both ideology wings. This is 100% not supported by the fact you're replying to: "Every killing carried out by a political extremist in the United States in 2018 was done by a right wing extremist." It's like you're replying to "Today is Wednesday" with "Let's not think about days as Wednesday or Thursday. Today is named both Wednesday and Thursday." You can say that, but today is still Wednesday.
- randiantech 8y ago
  Wow, so much downvoting for just stating an obvious thing, that extremism is a bad thing, no matter the ideology behind it. On topic, I can't talk about 2018 because I dont have hard facts about it, but from 1992 through August 12, 2017 the distribution sets that 92% of killings were extreme islamic related, followed by a 6% of extreme right groups.[0] Again, I find it very inappropriate to try to classify this by ideology. No extremism is less bad than the next one. No matter if its right or left, religious or any other type (remember rajneeshpuram?). Personally, as a non american I have suffered much more of left-wing terrorism (like bombs on subways; kidnapping, torture and killing), but again and again, it doesnt really matter. [0]https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlott...
  - chipotle_coyote 8y ago
    Of course 92% of killings were "extreme Islamic related" if you count the total number of US deaths across a period that includes the World Trade Center attack, as your link does. That one attack alone accounts for over 89% of the terrorism-related deaths in that period. Cato acknowledges that, but still goes on to present "chance of being killed in a terrorist attack sorted by ideology" in a manner which ignores that 9 out of 10 of the deaths occurred in that one outsized attack. If we presented this same information asthe number of terrorist attacks on US soil that resulted in any deaths -- which is arguably more relevant if we're trying to present the likelihood of being caught in any fatal terrorist attack -- then white nationalist attacks would be far and away the ones to worry about in the US.
    - randiantech 8y ago
      My point since the beginning of this thread was to reflect that sorting terrorist attacks by extreme ideology flavours is not something infind particularly appropriate. That was not the point why i linked it originally, but just to expand on the numbers presented by the previous message.
int_19h 8y ago
Why shouldn't we, when the perpetrator self-identified as a fascist?

mcphage 8y ago

> Such horrible acts were made in the name of both ideology wings. Not in 2018. I wonder about 2017, or 2016? If we close our eyes to what this is, we’ll never be able to stop it.

gnat 8y ago

> Such horrible acts were made in the name of both ideology wings. This is 100% not supported by the fact you're replying to: "Every killing carried out by a political extremist in the United States in 2018 was done by a right wing extremist." It's like you're replying to "Today is Wednesday" with "Let's not think about days as Wednesday or Thursday. Today is named both Wednesday and Thursday." You can say that, but today is still Wednesday.

randiantech 8y ago
Wow, so much downvoting for just stating an obvious thing, that extremism is a bad thing, no matter the ideology behind it. On topic, I can't talk about 2018 because I dont have hard facts about it, but from 1992 through August 12, 2017 the distribution sets that 92% of killings were extreme islamic related, followed by a 6% of extreme right groups.[0] Again, I find it very inappropriate to try to classify this by ideology. No extremism is less bad than the next one. No matter if its right or left, religious or any other type (remember rajneeshpuram?). Personally, as a non american I have suffered much more of left-wing terrorism (like bombs on subways; kidnapping, torture and killing), but again and again, it doesnt really matter. [0]https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlott...
- chipotle_coyote 8y ago
  Of course 92% of killings were "extreme Islamic related" if you count the total number of US deaths across a period that includes the World Trade Center attack, as your link does. That one attack alone accounts for over 89% of the terrorism-related deaths in that period. Cato acknowledges that, but still goes on to present "chance of being killed in a terrorist attack sorted by ideology" in a manner which ignores that 9 out of 10 of the deaths occurred in that one outsized attack. If we presented this same information asthe number of terrorist attacks on US soil that resulted in any deaths -- which is arguably more relevant if we're trying to present the likelihood of being caught in any fatal terrorist attack -- then white nationalist attacks would be far and away the ones to worry about in the US.
  - randiantech 8y ago
    My point since the beginning of this thread was to reflect that sorting terrorist attacks by extreme ideology flavours is not something infind particularly appropriate. That was not the point why i linked it originally, but just to expand on the numbers presented by the previous message.

int_19h 8y ago

Why shouldn't we, when the perpetrator self-identified as a fascist?