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If you go on some of the CIA FOIA tools you can also read about their experiments with astral projection. One of the more famous ones is about some guy astrally

If you go on some of the CIA FOIA tools you can also read about their experiments with astral projection. One of the more famous ones is about some guy astrally projecting on mars, in the past, and seeing aliens and buildings: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788... The CIA back then was all kinds of fucked up. Doing illegal experiments on US civilians, installing dictators, and selling drugs. Makes you wonder what terrible shit they're doing now that hasn't come to the surface yet...

radicaldreamer 8y ago
Probably something with manipulation of large populations using social media or predicting the future using user data and metrics.
- therein 8y ago
  It categorically seems much more innocent if that's the case. Effective sure, but it just doesn't feel as advanced as as injecting subjects with brand new chemicals or exploring some advanced technology. My point is, I am pretty sure that's not the flagship project at the CIA or NSA.
  - yeahitslikethat 8y ago
    CIAAI
  - AngryData 8y ago
    I dunno, social manipulation is a pretty powerful tool. The difference between a peaceful loving society and an aggressive and warlike society is in large part controlled by social pressures and perceptions.
    - wallace_f 8y ago
      >in large part controlled ompletely controlled. The intents of Nazis, Imperial Japanese, Crusaders, etc., can only be explained by their social pressures. Same people born in different place and time would have different intents. Control what people see and hear and you control what they think. Einstein quote: >Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions
  - 50656E6973 8y ago
    Well wasn't the goal of their chemical experiments to learn how to control minds? Why do it with chemicals when its much easier to do it at scale with AI driven machine learning algorithms and social media?
- dontbenebby 8y ago
  > Probably something with manipulation of large populations using social media or predicting the future using user data and metrics. If they could predict the future, wouldn't they fund their off the books ops by day trading instead of slinging coke? :)
escherplex 8y ago
Well, looks like these Monroe Institute activities segued into CIA interest into what was called 'remote viewing' for use as a possible supplemental espionage methodology. Apparently one H. E. Puthoff was one of the primary researchers in this activity and there's an online history of this CIA initiated RV Program at SRI that he authored which may be of some interest: URL = https://www.aestheticimpact.com/_pdf/AAestheticImpactCIABiofieldMeasurement.pdf https://www.aestheticimpact.com/_pdf/AAestheticImpactCIABiof...
- taxicabjesus 8y ago
  > Well, looks like these Monroe Institute activities segued into CIA interest into what was called 'remote viewing' This document is dated June 9, 1983. Your link says the US intelligence agencies' program started in the early 1970's. It started as a threat analysis [3] of a mistranslation of intelligence [0] on Soviet activities, but developed into something much more than that. The Gateway program is Robert Monroe's system for helping people develop the ability to have out-of-body experiences. Monroe started spontaneously popping out of body in the 1950's, and thought he was dying. After a few years he decided he wasn't dying, and started to explore the phenomenon. His first book, Journeys Out of the Body [1], was published in 1977, and was essentially just "hey I've decided I'm not dying and our western culture has no context for these experiences but these are my findings." Lots of people wrote to thank him for validating their own experiences. Robert Monroe's followup book, Far Journeys [2], was much more rigorous. It was published in 1985, about 2 years after this submission's PDF was written. Your link tells of Ingo Swann's pivotal role in the remote viewing program... My earlier comment [0] tells of the time I met Swann in Las Vegas. (Edit: hah, just noticed your link pdf was generated from content originally hosted at Swann's website, biomindsuperpowers.com) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17238552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17238552 [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=JqNXvQEACAAJ https://books.google.com/books?id=JqNXvQEACAAJ [2] https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385231814 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385231814 edit: [3] Your link uses the terms 'threat potential' and 'threat assessment'. Quote from your link: "In broad terms it can be said that much of the SRI effort was directed not so much toward developing an operational U.S. capability, but rather toward assessing the threat potential of its use against the U.S. by others. The words threat assessment were often used to describe the program's purpose during its development, especially during the early years."
3pt14159 8y ago
> The CIA back then was all kinds of fucked up. The only thing I've really learned about these types of organizations is that their very nature makes them, as an entity, more like an octopus than a primate. They need to quarantine off information and seed it with falsehood to stop adversaries from making their way off with everything when they breach a system or trusting it all on the off chance they do. There is no "CIA" in the way that there is a "Denver Broncos" because the CIA has no unity of perspective, purpose, or even vision. That some of their hippie dippies studied stupid shit and some of their psychos experimented on humans isn't really emblematic of the agency as a whole. Not because they were mere outliers, but because the concept of "the agency as a whole" doesn't really fit.
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tictoctec 8y ago
Stay out of it. I commented on a Trump tweet and got sent to a lower frequency earth. I had to hospitalize myself and almost died. They're all kinds of bad right now. https://youtu.be/FvgmyaSTosg https://youtu.be/FvgmyaSTosg
KingFelix 8y ago
The men who stare at goats! Watch it, go down that rabbit hole
- LinuxBender 8y ago
  I was impressed that they managed to get some big-name actors to make that movie. I suspect they had a lot of fun making it as well.

radicaldreamer 8y ago

Probably something with manipulation of large populations using social media or predicting the future using user data and metrics.

therein 8y ago
It categorically seems much more innocent if that's the case. Effective sure, but it just doesn't feel as advanced as as injecting subjects with brand new chemicals or exploring some advanced technology. My point is, I am pretty sure that's not the flagship project at the CIA or NSA.
- yeahitslikethat 8y ago
  CIAAI
- AngryData 8y ago
  I dunno, social manipulation is a pretty powerful tool. The difference between a peaceful loving society and an aggressive and warlike society is in large part controlled by social pressures and perceptions.
  - wallace_f 8y ago
    >in large part controlled ompletely controlled. The intents of Nazis, Imperial Japanese, Crusaders, etc., can only be explained by their social pressures. Same people born in different place and time would have different intents. Control what people see and hear and you control what they think. Einstein quote: >Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions
- 50656E6973 8y ago
  Well wasn't the goal of their chemical experiments to learn how to control minds? Why do it with chemicals when its much easier to do it at scale with AI driven machine learning algorithms and social media?
dontbenebby 8y ago
> Probably something with manipulation of large populations using social media or predicting the future using user data and metrics. If they could predict the future, wouldn't they fund their off the books ops by day trading instead of slinging coke? :)

escherplex 8y ago

Well, looks like these Monroe Institute activities segued into CIA interest into what was called 'remote viewing' for use as a possible supplemental espionage methodology. Apparently one H. E. Puthoff was one of the primary researchers in this activity and there's an online history of this CIA initiated RV Program at SRI that he authored which may be of some interest: URL = https://www.aestheticimpact.com/_pdf/AAestheticImpactCIABiofieldMeasurement.pdf https://www.aestheticimpact.com/_pdf/AAestheticImpactCIABiof...

taxicabjesus 8y ago
> Well, looks like these Monroe Institute activities segued into CIA interest into what was called 'remote viewing' This document is dated June 9, 1983. Your link says the US intelligence agencies' program started in the early 1970's. It started as a threat analysis [3] of a mistranslation of intelligence [0] on Soviet activities, but developed into something much more than that. The Gateway program is Robert Monroe's system for helping people develop the ability to have out-of-body experiences. Monroe started spontaneously popping out of body in the 1950's, and thought he was dying. After a few years he decided he wasn't dying, and started to explore the phenomenon. His first book, Journeys Out of the Body [1], was published in 1977, and was essentially just "hey I've decided I'm not dying and our western culture has no context for these experiences but these are my findings." Lots of people wrote to thank him for validating their own experiences. Robert Monroe's followup book, Far Journeys [2], was much more rigorous. It was published in 1985, about 2 years after this submission's PDF was written. Your link tells of Ingo Swann's pivotal role in the remote viewing program... My earlier comment [0] tells of the time I met Swann in Las Vegas. (Edit: hah, just noticed your link pdf was generated from content originally hosted at Swann's website, biomindsuperpowers.com) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17238552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17238552 [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=JqNXvQEACAAJ https://books.google.com/books?id=JqNXvQEACAAJ [2] https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385231814 https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385231814 edit: [3] Your link uses the terms 'threat potential' and 'threat assessment'. Quote from your link: "In broad terms it can be said that much of the SRI effort was directed not so much toward developing an operational U.S. capability, but rather toward assessing the threat potential of its use against the U.S. by others. The words threat assessment were often used to describe the program's purpose during its development, especially during the early years."

3pt14159 8y ago

> The CIA back then was all kinds of fucked up. The only thing I've really learned about these types of organizations is that their very nature makes them, as an entity, more like an octopus than a primate. They need to quarantine off information and seed it with falsehood to stop adversaries from making their way off with everything when they breach a system or trusting it all on the off chance they do. There is no "CIA" in the way that there is a "Denver Broncos" because the CIA has no unity of perspective, purpose, or even vision. That some of their hippie dippies studied stupid shit and some of their psychos experimented on humans isn't really emblematic of the agency as a whole. Not because they were mere outliers, but because the concept of "the agency as a whole" doesn't really fit.

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tictoctec 8y ago

Stay out of it. I commented on a Trump tweet and got sent to a lower frequency earth. I had to hospitalize myself and almost died. They're all kinds of bad right now. https://youtu.be/FvgmyaSTosg https://youtu.be/FvgmyaSTosg

KingFelix 8y ago

The men who stare at goats! Watch it, go down that rabbit hole

LinuxBender 8y ago
I was impressed that they managed to get some big-name actors to make that movie. I suspect they had a lot of fun making it as well.