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AFAIK, every one of them lives in Thailand/Cambodia except for Carl Lundström. I think they were all aware (except Carl Lundström) that luck would run out soon

by rtp 16y ago

AFAIK, every one of them lives in Thailand/Cambodia except for Carl Lundström. I think they were all aware (except Carl Lundström) that luck would run out sooner or later, and from what I've seen, they had the plans all laid out on how to skip jail and fine. I would be surprised if any one of them except Lundström would serve any of their prison times, or pay any sum of money to pay for their fines.

Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
So the punishment is that they basically can't return to their homeland (or likely Europe) without being declared bankrupt? That's still a fairly hefty penalty. Even if I chose to live elsewhere the idea of never being able to return home without a fairly major sanction would be a bummer.
roel_v 16y ago
Great, so now they are basically exiled out of Europe to a third-world country where they can only legally stay for 6 months (with a few possibilities of extensions but still), and will have to restrict themselves to the ever-shrinking list of countries that do not have automatic flag systems set up for signaling people that are wanted on international warrants. This includes not being able to visit family for the rest of your life and not being able to visit your parents' funerals. Furthermore, any social security or pension entitlements they may have had will automatically be confiscated so they will have to provide for themselves, in fore-mentioned third-world country, presumably without a sizable starting capital, and without being able to take on any consulting jobs that require them to travel to Europe, and potentially other Western countries (I'm not familiar with international agreements on this matter, but most countries have no problems extraditing foreign nationals, especially not when they're convicted in criminal cases). Sounds like a great "plan to skip jail and fine". This ain't Prison Break. There's no way to escape from convictions that don't require profound sacrifices for the rest of your life. I can't understand why everybody is so dismissive - "oh they'll be fine". No they won't, they're fucked for the rest of their lives.
- rtp 16y ago
  Sounds like a great "plan to skip jail and fine". Well, I didn't say it was a good plan. ;) I was merely pointing out that I thought they were anticipating that this was how things would turn out. I would like to add: The statute of limitations here in Sweden for a jail time of <1 year is max 10 years or so (according to Swedish Wikipedia it's 2 years, but I'm not sure if the fines complicate the matter).

by rtp 16y ago

Tyrannosaurs 16y ago

So the punishment is that they basically can't return to their homeland (or likely Europe) without being declared bankrupt? That's still a fairly hefty penalty. Even if I chose to live elsewhere the idea of never being able to return home without a fairly major sanction would be a bummer.

roel_v 16y ago

Great, so now they are basically exiled out of Europe to a third-world country where they can only legally stay for 6 months (with a few possibilities of extensions but still), and will have to restrict themselves to the ever-shrinking list of countries that do not have automatic flag systems set up for signaling people that are wanted on international warrants. This includes not being able to visit family for the rest of your life and not being able to visit your parents' funerals. Furthermore, any social security or pension entitlements they may have had will automatically be confiscated so they will have to provide for themselves, in fore-mentioned third-world country, presumably without a sizable starting capital, and without being able to take on any consulting jobs that require them to travel to Europe, and potentially other Western countries (I'm not familiar with international agreements on this matter, but most countries have no problems extraditing foreign nationals, especially not when they're convicted in criminal cases). Sounds like a great "plan to skip jail and fine". This ain't Prison Break. There's no way to escape from convictions that don't require profound sacrifices for the rest of your life. I can't understand why everybody is so dismissive - "oh they'll be fine". No they won't, they're fucked for the rest of their lives.

rtp 16y ago
Sounds like a great "plan to skip jail and fine". Well, I didn't say it was a good plan. ;) I was merely pointing out that I thought they were anticipating that this was how things would turn out. I would like to add: The statute of limitations here in Sweden for a jail time of <1 year is max 10 years or so (according to Swedish Wikipedia it's 2 years, but I'm not sure if the fines complicate the matter).