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Time to apply for a YNews startup offering uncensored DNSes :) If you're willing to do Evil to monetize it, you might even get to resell sex.com and a couple o

by fab13n 16y ago

Time to apply for a YNews startup offering uncensored DNSes :) If you're willing to do Evil to monetize it, you might even get to resell sex.com and a couple of expensive domains. Or just explain to investor that one day, when you'll be big enough, you'll be able to do it. Also, you'll be able to decide how fast you respond to requests according to whether the domain's owner subscribed to your "premium" service. TL;DR: brace yourself for libertarian cyber-mayhem.

davidu 16y ago
Well, we at OpenDNS could make this work for all our users today. And I think we're large enough that they wouldn't just seize our domain. But it's a slippery slope... Once you fragment the DNS like that, it's hard to go back. And then we're put in a position to make editorial judgements of which version of the domain to follow which we prefer to not be in. So we don't, for now. There's a lot more thinking about this subject that I and others have discussed, but fragmenting the DNS is not the ideal answer. Making ICANN independent of the US is, however, of critical importance.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  Looking forward to the first DNS service run by a phisher... why take the long way around when there is a much shorter one. Really I think OpenDNS has some merit but I'd hate for the DNS system to become so fragmented that the whole fabric of trust that we've built towards domain names would be up for grabs. The consequences of that happening are beyond my technical expertise to estimate but my gut says it can't be good.
  - davidu 16y ago
    DNSSEC and trust anchors will handle that part. It's more of the name collision issue that concerns me.
- po 16y ago
  And I think we're large enough that they wouldn't just seize our domain. They could probably make it difficult enough for you that you would change your mind. When the full force of the government you're operating in comes down on you, it's hard to stay in business. This is why the "solutions" tend to come from P2P groups. It's harder for the government to go after individuals (many of whom are in different countries) than a single organization. I use OpenDNS and I do appreciate that you are thinking about it.
- blasdel 16y ago
  What? You're practically sledding down that slope! Your flagship 'features' are all based on NXDOMAIN poisoning and intentional censorship in your nameserver by default. You're doing more than anyone else to fragment DNS all while having the chutzpah to market it as 'open'.
- A1kmm 16y ago
  whois 208.67.222.222 OrgName: OpenDNS, LLC OrgId: OPEND-2 Address: 410 Townsend St, Suite 250 City: San Francisco StateProv: CA Are you seriously telling me that you think OpenDNS could ignore a criminal search and seizure warrant from a US federal judge, even though your servers appear to be physically in the United States?

by fab13n 16y ago

davidu 16y ago

Well, we at OpenDNS could make this work for all our users today. And I think we're large enough that they wouldn't just seize our domain. But it's a slippery slope... Once you fragment the DNS like that, it's hard to go back. And then we're put in a position to make editorial judgements of which version of the domain to follow which we prefer to not be in. So we don't, for now. There's a lot more thinking about this subject that I and others have discussed, but fragmenting the DNS is not the ideal answer. Making ICANN independent of the US is, however, of critical importance.

jacquesm 16y ago
Looking forward to the first DNS service run by a phisher... why take the long way around when there is a much shorter one. Really I think OpenDNS has some merit but I'd hate for the DNS system to become so fragmented that the whole fabric of trust that we've built towards domain names would be up for grabs. The consequences of that happening are beyond my technical expertise to estimate but my gut says it can't be good.
- davidu 16y ago
  DNSSEC and trust anchors will handle that part. It's more of the name collision issue that concerns me.
po 16y ago
And I think we're large enough that they wouldn't just seize our domain. They could probably make it difficult enough for you that you would change your mind. When the full force of the government you're operating in comes down on you, it's hard to stay in business. This is why the "solutions" tend to come from P2P groups. It's harder for the government to go after individuals (many of whom are in different countries) than a single organization. I use OpenDNS and I do appreciate that you are thinking about it.
blasdel 16y ago
What? You're practically sledding down that slope! Your flagship 'features' are all based on NXDOMAIN poisoning and intentional censorship in your nameserver by default. You're doing more than anyone else to fragment DNS all while having the chutzpah to market it as 'open'.
A1kmm 16y ago
whois 208.67.222.222 OrgName: OpenDNS, LLC OrgId: OPEND-2 Address: 410 Townsend St, Suite 250 City: San Francisco StateProv: CA Are you seriously telling me that you think OpenDNS could ignore a criminal search and seizure warrant from a US federal judge, even though your servers appear to be physically in the United States?